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reply to post by SkepticOverlord
I am sad for the opposite reason, hah! (Sorta)
The last thread I have been working on is a "ghost thread". Tumbleweed-town.
I still am going to work on it too, strangely enough, despite it's translucent qualities.
I noticed there were no arguments or complaints really so far.
Posted four pages of information and only had like 2 other posters drop in for a split second to say "hey this looks cool!" (paraphrase) which is awesome and I appreciate their bump.
But seriously you would think with the information I am bringing, and the style I am presenting it, it should have caused someone to gripe me out (in the last few months at least).
Then again, I am reminded that it's a meaningful and positive development.
If I cannot get people to debate that stuff on ATS, it's doubtful I will find a debate anywhere else either.
Which is really awesome, but very lonely.
Oh and about the comments from posters later in this thread, of it being a "war", well there has always been a "war of ideas" ever since humans could communicate those ideas. The war itself rages on, but what really matters is "Honor".
There are honorable warriors and dishonored ones.
Life itself is a battle till the end, so everyone must decide what type of warrior they strive to be.
reply to post by crazyewok
I hope you weren't talking about me when we were disagreeing about disaster preparedness. I was using communist/socialist governments as a means of getting those kinds of massive public works projects going because I was thinking of China, although not even China does those things to build disaster preparedness projects. They seem to be engaged in public works of ego stroking to prove how modern and powerful they are.
I wasn't implying I thought you were leftist only that I thought a more leftist control oriented state would be able to mobilize and force its citizens to build the kind of things you suggested.
We are unaware that we are but an echo. The whole art of the orator probably consists in his giving listeners the illusion that the convictions and feelings he arouses in them have come not from him but from themselves, that he has only divined and lent his voice to what has been worked out in their innermost consciousness. Maurice Halbwach, On Collective Memory
But maybe there's hope. Let's see if there is. I want to challenge our members to stow their animosity for beliefs not their own in one area for one week: Religion.
This time of year, originating as pagan solstice celebrations and evolving with the Christ Mass, has had core common themes from the Norsemen to modern Christian celebrations; that of hope for the new sun/year, goodwill toward others, and gifts of importance for those in need.
Let's stand down from the religiously-inspired bickering and give each other the gift of silence.
Let's extend goodwill toward those we used to engage in heated debate.
Let's show hope for a new year.
One week, starting now.
reply to post by blupblup
I think ATS is what it's always been on this, personally? A reflection of the larger world it's content comes from. We can be better than average for spotting what has the rest of the world at each others throats tho...and we sure ought to try, anyway. Just my opinion.
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
I'm not sad...i'm pissed off.
You're probably not gonna like what i have to say, but i'm gonna say it anyway.
i've been a registered member here for very nearly a decade, and i lurked for a time before that....i remember when simon was still running the show..
i've watched the community grow, and evolve, and i have noticed the trend you've described...i attribute it to a combination of the fact that this is a publicly accessible forum, the people joining up over the last few years, the evolving ruleset of this place, and certain heavy-handed moderators (absolutely not gonna name names, so don't anybody waste your time asking).
one of the things that pisses me off the most is the infiltration of this place by "political agents" "provocateurs" and "paid shills"...i think that was where things started to go wrong....when they started showing up, things started to get nasty...and it's not as if we can ban them for having an opinion...and that's what they count on. they deliberately piss people off, and come just shy of breaking T&C, so nothing can be done to them...and of course, being the inquisitive, argumentative group of truth-seekers we are, everything NEEDS to make sense, everything NEEDS to be logical, so it's not even as if we can simply ignore these yobs either......so the arguments continue....
the thing about these people is that they either truly believe in the things they're saying, or they're paid to believe in them, or they genuinely love being disruptive, or they're paid to be disruptive. and because of the ruleset here, we're not allowed to call them out on their BS, or dig up the particulars of whether or not they're paid, and expose them...we hafta politely sit here, and let it continue...i think that's one of the biggest irritations to "ATS old timers"..of which i am one.....and i think that's why a lot of our great old ones have decided to walk away from this place.....you can't win a debate against an opponent who's paid to keep it going, or is too delusional to accept that they're wrong, and concede...
i took a break from this place for a while, not too long ago....when i started posting again, i found that this place was worse off than when i left...more bickering, more disruptive idiots, more shills, more agents, i remember when i could participate in a political debate without being called names....but the agents hafta keep the myth of the left/right paradigm alive....otherwise the whole house of cards comes down....can't have that, can we?
and then there's the lunatics, and disruptive idiots......like the "holographic planes" people in the 9/11 discussions, or the "nobody died" crowd that shows up, and absolutely f**king RUINS every single goddamn thread on Sandy Hook, to the point where now we can't even talk about the goddamn event, without feeling like we're gonna get banned...or how about the "1+1=7, because god invented all the numbers" people in the religious debates......or the people who inject religious nonsense into topics that have NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with religion...
ATS is a world gone mad...much like the real world, there are not enough of us left who seek actual truth, and who practice common sense, and decency...who care about facts, and reality, rather than fantasy, opinion, and pleas to emotion, and what social media tells them is important...
the ATS i remember is dead. maybe we can bring it back, but i'm not holding my breath..
edit on 23-12-2013 by Daedalus because: spelling
I have seen good threads, alot on the sceince and space forums die. Well written informative threads.
Yet start a thread about Obama and how he did some little minor thing and its gets 100+ replys.edit on 23-12-2013 by crazyewok because: (no reason given)
reply to post by SkepticOverlord
Well, a timely action from SO. Things have been getting a mite hinkey around here of late. What's most disturbing is a yahoo factor emerging from some of the Mods that never would have been acceptable until recently. That is changing the tenor of the site ...and will ultimately sink it if allowed to continue.
Mods do not just moderate...but I expect them to be moderate as well. Lose that and you become Brand X...you know...those guys.
...and a Merry Christmas to all and sundry from the Great Hinterland.