Pregnant nurse FIRED for refusing risky flu vaccine

luciddream
reply to post by Maluhia

 

she did not want to out the health and safety of her BABY at risk.

But OK to kill other people's mom,dad, son, daughter, baby? Kinda selfish don't you think?

If she doesn't want the risk, then stay at home.

I wonder how you would feel if you 5 yrs old son/daughter in ER with fatal immune system. Send in this nurse. I wanna see the decisions you would make.

It seems she wants to put others at risk for money.

Oh come on now. Most hospitals have a policy that if you are a health care worker, and you refuse the flu shot you wear a mask if you are interacting with patients. She offered to do that. That measure is largely considered appropriate to avoid infection in the health care industry. She was not willing to put people at undo risk., nor was she being unprofessional. It looks to me as if she was genuinely frightened that the flu shot would risk her pregnancy (how valid that is up for debate), and locked horns with the administration. They clearly would not budge, and made an example out of her.

For most circumstances, I would agree with the consensus regarding risk of infection to those that are at serious risk from the flu, and say health care workers should get the shot. There were mitigating circumstances here however, and most seem to be choosing to ignore them. The hospital administration did not choose to compromise concerning those mitigating circumstances and this nurse lost her job. Experience tells me that the administration was most likely taking a stand over a power struggle with an employee, not taking a stand regarding patient care.

On another note, accusing her of "selfishness" is uninformed, reactionary, and callous, and accusing her of "putting others at risk for money", is twisting the few facts you have cherry picked so you have an excuse to be nasty. I am not just talking to you on this, but to everyone who is just using what little information is known here as a platform to castigate some woman who is not here to answer these insults and accusations all of you are throwing around for kicks.

Talk about selfish... And I would add cowardly as well. I was always taught that was a dishonorable way to treat people, and a dishonorable way to behave. Mindless scapegoating is all that it is. Just... Nasty.

reply to post by OccamsRazor04


My response is not just against what strains u were vaccinated against...rather its the wider picture. You seem to be under the impression that u were protected. The law of averages and the stats gathered on flu vaccination tells all that if u and I were vaccinated against the same strains and both exposed to said strains...1 of us would most likely still catch it. If we were in the elderly age range 9 out of 10 would still get it. That is not protection, its chance.

The flu vaccination in the healthy is a waste and tbh a farce. Just another methid of lining the pockets of those with a financial interest in it.

jrmcleod

Pardon?

Happy1
reply to post by boncho

 

I'm an RN and if they "forced" anything more than yearly TB testing - I'd quit my job.

MRSA infects people with lowered immune systems, doesn't infect healthy people routinely -

A lot of opinion says that all of these "vaccinations" reduces one's immune systems.

Also "forcing" nurses to lose sleep by forcing them to work extra hours, and adding stress - lowers immune systems.

A person needs to be healthy in order to take care of sick people.

If I was your employer I'd accept your resignation in a heartbeat.

What type of registered nurse are you if you're stating opinions on health matters?
Who's opinion are you stating?
Certainly not a medical or scientific one.

Your profession is based upon empirical evidence isn't it so I suggest you do a bit of studying to bring yourself up to date on the matter as you seem to be quite a few years behind.

I would expect that any nurse looking after me or any of my family for any reason whatsoever would be fully protected against preventable diseases.
That's the minimum I'd expect.
If you don't think you can manage that I definitely believe you're not the right person for that job.

I think you take the prize for the most ignorant post of the year!!!

The Flu jab is 60% effective against 1 strain of flu. You CANNOT prevent against it 100%. There is every chance that the said nurse looking after you has had the vaccine but still gets the f***ing flu. Wake the Hell up and leave your "Holier than thou attitude" behind!

There's more than an even chance she won't have "the f***ing flu" though but before you go off on an hysterical rant actually take time to read what's written in my post.
And any of my other posts for that matter too.
Then see if you can award yourself anything for your reply.

ketsuko
reply to post by whitewave

 

The thing is that it's very easy to point to the negative things connected with shots, but it's not easy to point to the number of people who may have been protected or even saved by shots.

The negatives are very obvious when they happen (assuming, of course, all the negatives were directly caused by the shot), but no one can look at that person who would have caught the flu if not for either them or someone near them taking the shot or maybe even had their life saved by it because it didn't happen which was the whole point.

It makes the anti-vaccine crowd's job easy.

Hmm, the amount of people in the doctor's office has changed how much with all these flu shots?

MORE people are in there, now, thinking they have flu symptoms...

And as for someone like myself, that EVERY vaccination that I was forced to endure rendered me so sick I was hospitalized within hours, and stayed there for weeks and even months a few times with such shocking immune dysfunction, pneumonia, asthma...sore throats, headaches, allergies all shot up to THOUSANDS of times higher than they were before.

My parents recall what a nice smart child I was, until the very moment this garbage that is designed to really kill something in you, and it is NOT the flu!!

I got every flu that came by, the more the shots, the more flu... the more listening to the doctors, the higher the frequency of every illness became.

Then I watched as the cases of asthma and allergies kept rising, on posters created by pharmaceutical companies from 1 in 100, till now 1 in FOUR !!!

I have watched as they and all the clueless wonders proclaim to listen to the completely OWNED doctor industry as the mystery illnesses expand...

I have observed my own health get DRAMATICALLY better as another shot will NEVER enter my body, and the immune response that comes from even THINKING ABOUT IT, is amazing.

Now I do not really ever get sick, the exact opposite of ALL the advice given by doctor's who claim they know better than ME.

I had plenty of time laying in hospital beds to contemplate the source of my sickness, and the SHROUD of BS encircling the planet masquerading as something that is necessary.

Lots of breathing exercises unknowingly that are very good for the mind, came out of that, lungs of steel that WILL NOT be crushed again by your "one size fits all" 'vaccination'.

Living in fear like you people is the real reason you get sick so often, and all of those in society in general.

Funny, none of you can even possibly begin to imagine that colds and flus may be NATURAL, and have some kind of very beneficial effect on the body.

BENEFICIAL !!! Much More So than your FLUORIDE, and every other bunch of garbage you claim we need.

If all the flu-afraid are so afraid of their caretakers being un-vaccinated would simply do this, instead of trying to control others quite so much (as to demand their firing?!)

1. Stay home. Never go out, anywhere. No movies, shopping except perhaps in the dead of night, (wear a mask and use alcohol on every surface you touch while you're out), no restaurant meals, none of that. No entertainment outside the house, ever. Especially stay out of malls. They seem to be rife with people who should be home sick in bed.

2. No work or school for you, especially not cubicles, any job where you might have contact with the general public, etc. Maybe considering something that's 100% telecommuting.

3. No school or daycare for your kids either. There's nothing worse than a 30-kid classroom full of snotty nosed coughing kids whose parents had to go to work whether THEY were sick or not, or the kids were sick or not, because of economic forces beyond their control and a system so F'd up that it takes at least two incomes to raise a family and pay off the banksters and the taxman. Better arrange for one parent to stay home to homeschool for 17 years per kid, too bad about the loss of income.

4. Take every flu shot and the dozens of immunization shots that the schedule demands and see how your immune system handles them. Good luck with that, since the overwhelming evidence is that they CAUSE auto-immune diseases, which are now epidemic (but strangely, not mandatory reportable...).

5. Stay home from the icky, germ laden hospital if you get sick or injured. No use taking the chance that one or more of your caretakers will know a tiny bit more than you do about the dangers of immunizations and will walk in your room and expose you to something. Besides, right before they come in your room, they're in some other sicky's room. Ever thought of that?

6. Or you could realize that you live in an imperfect world, you're lied to every minute of it by the MSM, the government, the pharmaceutical industry and the bankers, and some of us here have worked in it enough to see the ugly cracks in the facade. Too bad we've all been fired for wising up and wanting to protect ourselves. Good luck finding a nurse or a doctor when you need one, with your attitude the pickings will be pretty slim in that department. Then, you'll be on here whining about how you called up several doctor's offices, and no one was accepting new patients, and your local hospital ER was slammed and turned your sorry ass away.

reply to post by Maluhia


All I have to say about vaccinations is this: My own mother is a Dr. who specializes in infectious diseases (referred to as an I.D. specialist). My mothers BEST FRIEND is a biochemist who works for MERCK. Neither of them vaccinated any of their children or themselves, EVER. Guess what? I've been sick literally five times in my entire life and I am well over 33 now. I don't really want to have "an impromptu heart attack" so I wont say more than this: These vaccinations are not meant for your health but to generate additional revenue streams. It's really that simple. On a closing note, why would the national vaccine injury comensation program (run by the FEDS) even exist if this was all on the straight and narrow? Did you know there is a tax on vaccines (75 cents per targeted disease per vaccine) that goes directly to the people they've killed with the previous years vacine?


www.hrsa.gov...

reply to post by evilmonkey


Then why do my antibody titers go way way up after a vaccination? Just like I'd caught the disease, and was now immune. Hmmm.

reply to post by evilmonkey


Thanks for the info. Very interesting to hear a take on this from insiders. I knew someone who worked on developing artificial sweeteners and she said she would never let anyone she knew use them.

Did you know there is a tax on vaccines (75 cents per targeted disease per vaccine) ...

Did not know about the tax. But, makes sense, it's always about the money...ALWAYS!

My parents recall what a nice smart child I was, until the very moment this garbage that is designed to really kill something in you, and it is NOT the flu!!

Except that it doesn't have that affect on pretty much everyone else. Seems you have a very poor immune system. I know many people that get flu shots, and are none the worse for wear. I personally don't get them, but I have gotten all immunizations, and think they are critical. People seem ignorant of how low the life expectancy used to be, and how badly some children would suffer with certain diseases that we are not immunized against.

signalfire
If all the flu-afraid are so afraid of their caretakers being un-vaccinated would simply do this, instead of trying to control others quite so much (as to demand their firing?!)

1. Stay home. Never go out, anywhere. No movies, shopping except perhaps in the dead of night, (wear a mask and use alcohol on every surface you touch while you're out), no restaurant meals, none of that. No entertainment outside the house, ever. Especially stay out of malls. They seem to be rife with people who should be home sick in bed.

2. No work or school for you, especially not cubicles, any job where you might have contact with the general public, etc. Maybe considering something that's 100% telecommuting.

3. No school or daycare for your kids either. There's nothing worse than a 30-kid classroom full of snotty nosed coughing kids whose parents had to go to work whether THEY were sick or not, or the kids were sick or not, because of economic forces beyond their control and a system so F'd up that it takes at least two incomes to raise a family and pay off the banksters and the taxman. Better arrange for one parent to stay home to homeschool for 17 years per kid, too bad about the loss of income.

4. Take every flu shot and the dozens of immunization shots that the schedule demands and see how your immune system handles them. Good luck with that, since the overwhelming evidence is that they CAUSE auto-immune diseases, which are now epidemic (but strangely, not mandatory reportable...).

5. Stay home from the icky, germ laden hospital if you get sick or injured. No use taking the chance that one or more of your caretakers will know a tiny bit more than you do about the dangers of immunizations and will walk in your room and expose you to something. Besides, right before they come in your room, they're in some other sicky's room. Ever thought of that?

6. Or you could realize that you live in an imperfect world, you're lied to every minute of it by the MSM, the government, the pharmaceutical industry and the bankers, and some of us here have worked in it enough to see the ugly cracks in the facade. Too bad we've all been fired for wising up and wanting to protect ourselves. Good luck finding a nurse or a doctor when you need one, with your attitude the pickings will be pretty slim in that department. Then, you'll be on here whining about how you called up several doctor's offices, and no one was accepting new patients, and your local hospital ER was slammed and turned your sorry ass away.

Like I said, you completely miss the point don't you?
Spectacularly hysterical.

Oh don't forget that you've stated that "since the overwhelming evidence is that they CAUSE auto-immune diseases" you really need to back it up. With evidence.
And also don't forget that you've stated "overwhelming" so I would expect quite a few citations for it.

Good luck with that.

evilmonkey
reply to post by Maluhia

 

All I have to say about vaccinations is this: My own mother is a Dr. who specializes in infectious diseases (referred to as an I.D. specialist). My mothers BEST FRIEND is a biochemist who works for MERCK. Neither of them vaccinated any of their children or themselves, EVER. Guess what? I've been sick literally five times in my entire life and I am well over 33 now. I don't really want to have "an impromptu heart attack" so I wont say more than this: These vaccinations are not meant for your health but to generate additional revenue streams. It's really that simple. On a closing note, why would the national vaccine injury comensation program (run by the FEDS) even exist if this was all on the straight and narrow? Did you know there is a tax on vaccines (75 cents per targeted disease per vaccine) that goes directly to the people they've killed with the previous years vacine?


www.hrsa.gov...

edit on 24-12-2013 by evilmonkey because: Added info

I can say, with my hand on my heart, that I don't believe you at all.
But then lying is an essential part of the job-description for AVers.

Pardon?

signalfire
If all the flu-afraid are so afraid of their caretakers being un-vaccinated would simply do this, instead of trying to control others quite so much (as to demand their firing?!)

1. Stay home. Never go out, anywhere. No movies, shopping except perhaps in the dead of night, (wear a mask and use alcohol on every surface you touch while you're out), no restaurant meals, none of that. No entertainment outside the house, ever. Especially stay out of malls. They seem to be rife with people who should be home sick in bed.

2. No work or school for you, especially not cubicles, any job where you might have contact with the general public, etc. Maybe considering something that's 100% telecommuting.

3. No school or daycare for your kids either. There's nothing worse than a 30-kid classroom full of snotty nosed coughing kids whose parents had to go to work whether THEY were sick or not, or the kids were sick or not, because of economic forces beyond their control and a system so F'd up that it takes at least two incomes to raise a family and pay off the banksters and the taxman. Better arrange for one parent to stay home to homeschool for 17 years per kid, too bad about the loss of income.

4. Take every flu shot and the dozens of immunization shots that the schedule demands and see how your immune system handles them. Good luck with that, since the overwhelming evidence is that they CAUSE auto-immune diseases, which are now epidemic (but strangely, not mandatory reportable...).

5. Stay home from the icky, germ laden hospital if you get sick or injured. No use taking the chance that one or more of your caretakers will know a tiny bit more than you do about the dangers of immunizations and will walk in your room and expose you to something. Besides, right before they come in your room, they're in some other sicky's room. Ever thought of that?

6. Or you could realize that you live in an imperfect world, you're lied to every minute of it by the MSM, the government, the pharmaceutical industry and the bankers, and some of us here have worked in it enough to see the ugly cracks in the facade. Too bad we've all been fired for wising up and wanting to protect ourselves. Good luck finding a nurse or a doctor when you need one, with your attitude the pickings will be pretty slim in that department. Then, you'll be on here whining about how you called up several doctor's offices, and no one was accepting new patients, and your local hospital ER was slammed and turned your sorry ass away.

Like I said, you completely miss the point don't you?
Spectacularly hysterical.

Oh don't forget that you've stated that "since the overwhelming evidence is that they CAUSE auto-immune diseases" you really need to back it up. With evidence.
And also don't forget that you've stated "overwhelming" so I would expect quite a few citations for it.

Good luck with that.

edit on 28/12/13 by Pardon? because: (no reason given)

Do your own research; google the term and run with it. I'm not going to crack open your head and pour the knowledge in, and I'm not allowed here by T&Cs to quote large batches of other's material. Research papers are not short documents.

Meanwhile, stop insisting that people jab themselves with something of unknown quality, unknown ingredients, that cannot be removed once inserted, and may very well (since it's a disease entity, or several disease entities) cause reactions hours, days, months or years later, all of which are not looked for in so-called 'trials'.

reply to post by Maluhia

She read the fine print and decided it was too risky -

To bad she didn't read her employment contract.

reply to post by Grimpachi


Go back and re-read the thread. She got the shot in the past under her "contract" - she's effing pregnant NOW and concerned about her pregnancy and her child.

Where the FFFF has compassion gone? Are you a member of congress, a banker, a CEO, if not, you should be.

reply to post by Maluhia


Don't assume you know me. You talk about compassion for her child which would be at far more risk if she catches the flu. I have family in a nursing home how dare her or you think that my family's life is less important than your own.

It is her JOB to take care of the elderly she gets PAID to do so and getting the shot is part of that job. She has not been forced to take it but she does not have the RIGHT to put MY FAMILY at risk. A simple flu jab has reduced flu infections in such facilities by 50% so her inability to discern the facts on the actual risks to her unborn child is no reason for her to put mine or anyone else's family at more risk.

For many elderly the flu may as well be a death sentence. Just how many women have lost their baby to a flu shot? I read where you were quoting statistics earlier in the thread. If you can find those statistics then we can compare them to how many elderly die from Influenza and Pneumonia. I will give you this before you find numbers of miscarriage from flu shots. It will be hard to make your case because 90% of U.S. influenza deaths are the elderly. On average, there are about 36,000 flu deaths per year in the United States that means about 32,400 of them are elderly.

So just what are the numbers for flu shots being the cause of miscarriage each year? What is the percentage? Hey you can even count the ones due to the mental stress of getting a flu shot. The statistics should be able to make your case if there is one.

Nurses have more power than they realize. I've seen it exercised before with spectacular results. TEN MINUTES after instituting a hospital-wide policy (not regarding vaccines), the nurses rebelled on one floor only and the new policy was overturned.

Nurses have to be willing to walk away from their jobs. They have to be willing to say , "I am not public property!"

The whole concept of expecting people to physically endanger themselves and the lives of their unborn children in order to satisfy someone else's expectations is an endorsement for slavery. Nurses are not consumable commodities for people in need to use up. They need to look at the contracts they're expected to sign and say "No thank you" to being disposable resources.

With 360 million patients expected to start flooding the healthcare system under Obamacare, let's see how well the administrators like emptying bedpans.

reply to post by evilmonkey


Yes, well, my own husband is a microbiologist who works for a pharma company. I'm not going to say which one. His company is hip deep in the production of vaccines. He understands the processes and ingredients that go into the making of them very, very well.

And ...

He and we (his family) all get vaccinated against most of the deadly diseases although we generally don't bother with the flu shot owing to its nature as a yearly crap-shoot more than anything. We likely won't get our son his chicken pox shot, either.

In fact, in order to hold his job, he has had to get a variety of vaccinations above and beyond what most people have to have even to contemplate travel to most foreign countries. He's even been vaccinated against rabies for his work in the past. If he was unwilling to get vaccinated, he would not be working there ... period. It's for his safety and their's. Everyone who works there understands that getting vaccinated is a routine part of the job because they have nasty bugs on-site and the alternative is to work with them without any protection.

signalfire

Pardon?

signalfire
If all the flu-afraid are so afraid of their caretakers being un-vaccinated would simply do this, instead of trying to control others quite so much (as to demand their firing?!)

1. Stay home. Never go out, anywhere. No movies, shopping except perhaps in the dead of night, (wear a mask and use alcohol on every surface you touch while you're out), no restaurant meals, none of that. No entertainment outside the house, ever. Especially stay out of malls. They seem to be rife with people who should be home sick in bed.

2. No work or school for you, especially not cubicles, any job where you might have contact with the general public, etc. Maybe considering something that's 100% telecommuting.

3. No school or daycare for your kids either. There's nothing worse than a 30-kid classroom full of snotty nosed coughing kids whose parents had to go to work whether THEY were sick or not, or the kids were sick or not, because of economic forces beyond their control and a system so F'd up that it takes at least two incomes to raise a family and pay off the banksters and the taxman. Better arrange for one parent to stay home to homeschool for 17 years per kid, too bad about the loss of income.

4. Take every flu shot and the dozens of immunization shots that the schedule demands and see how your immune system handles them. Good luck with that, since the overwhelming evidence is that they CAUSE auto-immune diseases, which are now epidemic (but strangely, not mandatory reportable...).

5. Stay home from the icky, germ laden hospital if you get sick or injured. No use taking the chance that one or more of your caretakers will know a tiny bit more than you do about the dangers of immunizations and will walk in your room and expose you to something. Besides, right before they come in your room, they're in some other sicky's room. Ever thought of that?

6. Or you could realize that you live in an imperfect world, you're lied to every minute of it by the MSM, the government, the pharmaceutical industry and the bankers, and some of us here have worked in it enough to see the ugly cracks in the facade. Too bad we've all been fired for wising up and wanting to protect ourselves. Good luck finding a nurse or a doctor when you need one, with your attitude the pickings will be pretty slim in that department. Then, you'll be on here whining about how you called up several doctor's offices, and no one was accepting new patients, and your local hospital ER was slammed and turned your sorry ass away.

Like I said, you completely miss the point don't you?
Spectacularly hysterical.

Oh don't forget that you've stated that "since the overwhelming evidence is that they CAUSE auto-immune diseases" you really need to back it up. With evidence.
And also don't forget that you've stated "overwhelming" so I would expect quite a few citations for it.

Good luck with that.

edit on 28/12/13 by Pardon? because: (no reason given)

Do your own research; google the term and run with it. I'm not going to crack open your head and pour the knowledge in, and I'm not allowed here by T&Cs to quote large batches of other's material. Research papers are not short documents.

Meanwhile, stop insisting that people jab themselves with something of unknown quality, unknown ingredients, that cannot be removed once inserted, and may very well (since it's a disease entity, or several disease entities) cause reactions hours, days, months or years later, all of which are not looked for in so-called 'trials'.

Links will do, you don't need to c&p the full text.
And I suggest that you "do more research" into phase IV studies, you know, the ones which monitor the vaccines for years after their release.

And have a look at this too whilst you're searching for those links
www.skepticalraptor.com...

reply to post by Pardon?


Except that the vast majority of untoward effects are not reported because the people experiencing them don't know where to report them or even what they are, and the doctors who see them don't bother, or have no way of tracing the effects back to the instigator of them.

'Long term trials' is a joke meant to protect the vaccine and drug manufacturers and amounts to utterly no oversight whatsoever.

And to the poster who thinks that unvaccinated nurses will kill their elderly relatives off, each party wearing a mask and washing their hands will do far more to avoid a host of germs, not just the ones supposedly kept at bay by vaccination. It's the grouping of sick, elderly and at-risk populations in one place, being taken care of by younger people with kids with colds back home that causes the germ exposure, not the lack of a flu shot (what nurse is going to come to work when they're sick? Flu knocks you on your ass. And if they were just exposed and are therefore 'carriers', whether or not they had a flu shot for that or some other bug doesn't negate the dangers. Their clothes are not sterile, nor is their skin.)

The truth of the matter is that elderly people are at risk simply because they're elderly. Is gramma getting the flu shot? Then gramma shouldn't get that flu, right? End of story, if it works as planned.

What you want is only perfect people caring for gramma; what you're really advocating is long term short staffing of gramma's nursing home, which will kill far more people and mean gramma won't get her diapers changed nearly so often, and will lay there in dirty bedsheets far longer on a given day; is that what you want? Perhaps you'd like to go into the nursing field yourself, if you think it's an easy job consisting only of taking flu shots regularly... you have no idea of the status of the nursing field now and how marginal it is; look up your local hospital's help wanted listings and count the number of open nursing positions. It's staggering. Now ask yourself why, with the extent of unemployment everywhere, those positions aren't getting filled, especially for a job that pays very well after just two years training.

reply to post by signalfire


The problem with your assumption that a nurse will only come to work when she's healthy is that she doesn't always know. You can be contagious with the flu for up to 1 to 2 days before you actually know you're sick with it and for a period of 4 to 5 days after symptoms subside.

So, that perfectly healthy nurse working with grandma ... is she? Is she really?

And the second problem with your assumption is that flu doesn't just slowly develop. Symptoms tend to pop up suddenly and explosively. You can be seemingly healthy one hour and down with all the worst symptoms an hour later. There's just very little warning, and in that interval ... you've been working with grandma.

This is why so many health care facilities try their best to just make sure that as many of their own workers as possible just don't get the flu to begin with.