A smarty pants scientist makes an easy anaology about our planet - And now I am scared.

The Morlock's come.

Hut Oh!

I don't want to come off cheesy, I have given this extensive thought in the past. I'm going down with my planet. For millennium, our race has survived from this planet, from light suckling to all out rape. If the earth were becoming uninhabitable to all out destruction, I'm going down with the ship.
I really don't think overpopulation will be the last straw for humanity, chances are we won't make it that long before something else depopulates, probably of our own creation.

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the switchover would provide jobs for tearing down and building up. Not suggesting how it can be done with the energy stalemate going on by the powers that be in control just that we could have way more people if we weren't fighting over resources and spewing out so much pollution.

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Phenominol video man..thx for sharing. I honestly have never thought about it that way in terms of seeking out another planet....we are only a few more "minutes" away from filling them if we wished to sustain. Very strong thought process.

reply to post by Tusks

indeed.
It's been proven hoax many times but it's becoming stronger with the numbers. There is plenty of waste land and have a look at rich western countries dying off. They can only function with high enough immigration. Why? Consider that the 50/50 male to female ratio mechanism can only be explained as a manifestation of a living intelligent entity. Considering very sophisticated intelligent design of any live form it's only logical to suppose also regulatory capability.
Maybe we should ask if heavenly bodies are alive and conscious. And if they are in control of higher being. It's inevitably becoming a religious question. Maybe the volcanic activity is not just an automatic cooling system here and it can be used too from time to time.

reply to post by Mamatus


First of all, why do you call him a smarty pants scientist? Not a flattering title.

These truths you speak of were first voiced by a man name Thomas Malthus in the mid 18th century. This Malthusian vision has haunted only a few of us through the centuries until the late 1960s when Paul Ehrlich from Stanford University wrote "The Population Bomb" Population Control or Race to Oblivion.
Like Malthus, Ehrlich was written off as a left leaning crazy by the forces of unbridled growth and prosperity and the book soon faded from the public's awareness.

Having read the the Population Bomb, in 1969 I joined with Stewart Brand, founder of the Whole Earth Catalog and a hundred others in a week long fast and the first mass demonstration calling attention to the coming problem of over population. Like Erhlich, we were labeled with derogatory names, dirty hippies, commies, and drug addled youth and basically ignored. All attempts to curb population growth for the last 40 years or so have been labeled socialist and fascist

Now sadly enough the piper is soon to be paid and the unfortunate folk who are waking up to reality now find, as you have, that there is no longer any thing we can do but suck it up and punch a couple new holes in our belts.

i watched this video this morning. i've been aware of this issue for a long time. people don't seem to "get it" that we've reached critical mass with our population. we have seen what happens with overpopulation of certain animals and the same thing will happen to us.

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thats very bad and very sad to read in just a few days so much death

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As much as I would like to rid the world of our species

One shot and the world gets smaller.

Mamatus

Toss in the Mass Starfish die off (saw this myself first hand in Bodega Bay last week) and folks, IMO the # has hit the fan. The worst thing of all? There is nothing anyone can do about it. It is time to pack up and head for a new world and give this one a chance to heal. Maybe someday we can come home.

edit on 22-12-2013 by Mamatus because: Gwammer and speeeeling

Musical interlude...

Ok. Exponential growth is the problem. The thing to remember is that that growth don't all take place at the end of the 60th minute. But rather is in process throughout that minute, and optimal conditions for growth may not be available for the final doubling. In fact the final doubling may run into difficulties and the possibility is that there would a reduction in "bacteria".

Humans need to see this as our most likely option, nay I'll say it. Our only option. The reduction is coming. Can we summon the God within us. Utilize what it is that makes us the most adaptive of species to soft land or at least respect the necessity of the die off, and manage with love and caring not only the substantial early departures, but also the reorganization of the remaining population.

I personally don't count much on that managing with love thing. Oh don't get me wrong I think it's a good idea. Just not sure it's efficient.

As to the 59th minute, I think we are already past that. We filled up that vial a long time ago, are oozing over the top, and clinging to the sides.

St0rD

Mamatus

IMO Humanity is coming to it's end, maybe sooner than we expect. Could this be the push to colonize Mars? Are we seeking homes in a new test tube? Has humanity nearly run it's course on this planet?

We won't have any more luck on Mars.

If we didn't succeed in the stable environment Earth provides to us, I really can't see how we would do it on a hostile planet.

I'm always scratching my head over why we are pushing so much towards outer space when we can't even make things right around here in the first place.
Time will tell.

Because the challenge of living on an inhospitable world such as Mars helps us develop technologies, techniques and coping mechanisms to live on our increasingly inhospitable world of Earth perhaps?

Seems logical doesn't it?

okyouwin
Ok. Exponential growth is the problem.

Actually, waste heat will be the problem even if we had zero population growth. The amount of waste heat our technology produces will be enough to make life on earth impossible in a couple to a few hundred years by many estimates based on current growth rates in the use of heat producing technologies.

BTW: This is emitted heat from our electronics, factories etc and has nothing to do with the greenhouse effect which is a separate issue.

So unless we get more efficient at recovering waste heat and turning it into non heat producing energy or work we're basically screwed no matter what we use to power the planet (oil, gas, wind, solar, fission, fusion, anti-matter, quantum containment, zero-point, etc)

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Have any of you read any of the idiotic posts in here about how the entire population of the world could fit in Texas with room left over? I studied a lot of economics at University and loved the theory and recognized the lunacy with how it unfolded in the real world. Capitalism is a system which can best be summarized as sprinting down a dead end, the wrong way. It is based on constant growth as it is utilized in the real world. It has been tweaked to its own ruin more quickly as well! For example, instead of making a quality product for a good price, now we make crappy objects for a slightly lower price (because people love a lower price!), and then hope to sell another one as soon as the older one breaks!
How many of you here have the Latest and Greatest smartphone simply because your old one was...... dated? Looked down upon for not being New? It's called Artificial Obsolescence. Planned profit through rampant use of resources.
To put down Capitalism is a no-no in most circles. You get called a commie or a socialist or an anarchist. People want their crappy Walmart stuff for cheap instead of a truly quality product that will last for years. We are willing to trade tomorrow for a job today. Eat that high fructose syrup up, because it takes energy to sprint down the dead end we are facing without drastic change our leaders fear to lead us towards for a better future!

Dianec

It's hard to imagine anything happening suddenly - food stops growing, things in sea die all in the matter of a few years, disease mutating at unprecedented rates. Would these things happen over a few hundred years so we don't notice it or is he saying they would happen in a lifetime or less?

I've asked for input on this before and no one replies so while I think he and others are onto something no one can say what this looks like. Where is an example of this that applies to actual events? Again - I completely believe it but where can we see it in action?

I've been writing threads about this for the past year and not many are listening, but yes, these events are already occurring at an unprecedented rate. Regardless what skeptics have argued here, more and more public figures will start to emerge and more and more will finally listen. The fish in the sea aren't dying from being over-fished, they are dying from disease outbreaks on unprecedented levels or algae blooms and oxygen loss...all coming back to the same theories I've been pushing this past year.

It's not only the death of the oceans that are of concern, but the sinkholes, fireballs, mysterious booms...oh well, you've heard me before. There's more to, but I'll save my breath for now. Just pay attention to the weather itself. Has anyone noticed the huge moisture increase in the air. Much more fog, dew, and the rain and snow events are record-setting these days. You don't get a snow storm anymore that drops a few inches...somewhere in that storm, someone got at least a foot! And there happening twice a week across the States.

The disease outbreaks aren't only affecting the fish in the sea either. We humans are experiencing disease outbreaks all over the planet. MSM isn't covering much of it. Set a Google Alert for yourself with the words outbreak or disease and see how many stories are breaking all over the planet every single day, but most of these stories stay local. For some reason, MSM isn't picking them up. And we're not talking about some folks getting sick, but they are dying.

We're in for a wild ride and this "natural planetary cycle" isn't going to take hundreds or thousands of years as it has in the past...no, we're talking a couple of decades at the most before we're in deep!

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I did not call him a smarty p[ant scientist. That was the title of the article ( :

Space exploration should have the goal of finding a place we can grow more food for ourselves, not just packing up and moving on.

As much as food prices rise, it seems like they're growing it on another planet anyway.

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The Earth likely has some feedback loops that help maintain near steady-state for average temperatures. Volcanoes, clouds, dust---and we don't know what else. We do, however, know we're in an interglacial period.

"As much as I would like to rid the world of our species, it will take a lot more than what is happening now."

How about you go first hot shot? Criminalizing an entire species now are we? Have not posted in over a year, but excuse me... your arrogance while still breathing every hated breath (you must feel that way to justify your comment) is beyond belief and I must speak out. What class/race/species are to come after human beings. Pretty sure it's the cows... right. All they do is fart and create green house gas. Can't believe the stuff you kids pen on here any more.

St0rD

I'm always scratching my head over why we are pushing so much towards outer space when we can't even make things right around here in the first place.
Time will tell.

If we put all out eggs in one basket, the chance for absolute failure is more real.