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posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 05:45 PM
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beezzer

LDragonFire

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Xcalibur254
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And how do you know that's not why A&E made their decision? Early analyses may have indicated a loss in profit if Phil was kept on the show. As a result they have suspended him until a more in depth analysis can be done.


I never said that A&E was to blame. I only called their move cowardly.

I placed the blame solely on GLAAD who wanted the Robertsons punished for expressing his beliefs.


why not blame Phil? or is he not responsible for his own actions?


Blame Phil for speaking on what he believes in?

Shame on you Phil! You stated that you believed something! And it doesn't conform to what is approved!


"They" won't get it beez, not until the tables are turned and it matches their beliefs. It's just more mob rule mentality.




posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 05:47 PM
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beezzer

LDragonFire

beezzer

Xcalibur254
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And how do you know that's not why A&E made their decision? Early analyses may have indicated a loss in profit if Phil was kept on the show. As a result they have suspended him until a more in depth analysis can be done.


I never said that A&E was to blame. I only called their move cowardly.

I placed the blame solely on GLAAD who wanted the Robertsons punished for expressing his beliefs.


why not blame Phil? or is he not responsible for his own actions?


Blame Phil for speaking on what he believes in?

Shame on you Phil! You stated that you believed something! And it doesn't conform to what is approved!


how about shame on your bigoted, judgmental, opinion.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 05:48 PM
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LDragonFire

beezzer

LDragonFire

beezzer

Xcalibur254
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And how do you know that's not why A&E made their decision? Early analyses may have indicated a loss in profit if Phil was kept on the show. As a result they have suspended him until a more in depth analysis can be done.


I never said that A&E was to blame. I only called their move cowardly.

I placed the blame solely on GLAAD who wanted the Robertsons punished for expressing his beliefs.


why not blame Phil? or is he not responsible for his own actions?


Blame Phil for speaking on what he believes in?

Shame on you Phil! You stated that you believed something! And it doesn't conform to what is approved!


how about shame on your bigoted, judgmental, opinion.


And you know what? I'd fight just as hard for you to be able to say that.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 05:50 PM
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LDragonFire

beezzer

LDragonFire

beezzer

Xcalibur254
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And how do you know that's not why A&E made their decision? Early analyses may have indicated a loss in profit if Phil was kept on the show. As a result they have suspended him until a more in depth analysis can be done.


I never said that A&E was to blame. I only called their move cowardly.

I placed the blame solely on GLAAD who wanted the Robertsons punished for expressing his beliefs.


why not blame Phil? or is he not responsible for his own actions?


Blame Phil for speaking on what he believes in?

Shame on you Phil! You stated that you believed something! And it doesn't conform to what is approved!


how about shame on your bigoted, judgmental, opinion.


And you know what? I'd fight just as hard for you to be able to say that.


Whereas I might punch someone in the mouth but thats just me!

(retreats back to his box upon reflection of past comment)


edit on 22-12-2013 by WWJFKD because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 05:56 PM
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So then you wouldn't blame my employer for firing me for calling African Americans n******s and Jews k****s. You would consider them cowards but it's actually the African Americans and Jews that complained who would be infringing on my right to free speech.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 05:56 PM
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beezzer
I never said that A&E was at fault. I simply stated that they were cowards.


And you would be a coward for firing XCalibur?

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Where do you get the information that GLAAD wanted the Robertsons punished for expressing his beliefs?

And if your customers, who were offended, complained to you and you fired XCalibur, then the "blame" would be on your customers?



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:04 PM
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So then you wouldn't blame my employer for firing me for calling African Americans n******s and Jews k****s. You would consider them cowards but it's actually the African Americans and Jews that complained who would be infringing on my right to free speech.


Basically, yes. Now your customers could go elsewhere or ignore you. But it would those customers that would be looking for punitive actions against you.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:04 PM
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No during work, or in the public eye there is no reason to act like that because you are working with the public and common decency should tell you that it's not acceptable. Just as it's not acceptable for Phil to say it on DD but in an interview that was asked about his beliefs than he has a right to discuss if he so chooses, which he shouldn't have knowing while it was nothing wrong with his beliefs that he actually went against the contract by stating them so common sense again.

Yes they should be of the mindset words can never hurt me, but they'll use it regardless if it does or doesn't hurt them to move their own agenda forward. And everyone has an agenda behind every action. I truly believe that.

The point is if you're caring enough and not a dumb A** you won't use words like that and the ones who do not have common decency will be ostracized and jobless if true free speech took precedence. I say let it be.

edit on 2013/12/22 by ldyserenity because: clarity



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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Benevolent Heretic
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beezzer
I never said that A&E was at fault. I simply stated that they were cowards.


And you would be a coward for firing XCalibur?

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Where do you get the information that GLAAD wanted the Robertsons punished for expressing his beliefs?

And if your customers, who were offended, complained to you and you fired XCalibur, then the "blame" would be on your customers?



the info on GLAAD I got from A&E. THEY stated that after they got the call from GLAAD, they (A&E) suspended Phil.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:06 PM
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Societal norms suggest you cant go around calling your own damn customers names and not expect to get canned for it. Paint it however you want Phil Robertsons motivation was fulfilling his mission to plant seeds and bring awareness to sin which is what he has come to know it as. He believed he was doing a good thing therefore it was done out of good will. Agree, disagree that will be camp Robertsons position and no one will ever be able to prove the contrary.

A&E doesnt like the nightly prayer, A&E would like you to believe they cuss and now A&E has shown a disdain for Phils good intentions... PERIOD!


if anything perhaps A&E has a problem that this family didn't turn out to be a bunch of country bumpkins but some damn fine devout Christians with moral values... And guess what - somebody out there liked it because it is the highest rated reality TV show in the history of reality TV.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:09 PM
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A&E doesnt like the nightly prayer, A&E would like you to believe they cuss and now A&E has shown a disdain for Phils good intentions... PERIOD!
Something I recall hearing about the road to hell...

Anyway the thing about "hating the sin, not the sinner?" Great concept. Good for saints and such. In practice, not so much. Have you seen the video of his Bible thumping rant against gays?

edit on 12/22/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:10 PM
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So then you wouldn't blame my employer for firing me for calling African Americans n******s and Jews k****s. You would consider them cowards but it's actually the African Americans and Jews that complained who would be infringing on my right to free speech.


Actually you wouldnt be fired for what you said you would be fired for poor customer service. The owner expects you to represent him and his business appropriately while at work.The question is does your actions outside of work be treated the same?



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:10 PM
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And would you blame your customers for complaining about an employee who offended them that you decided to fire???? Or would firing the employee be YOUR choice and YOUR responsibility?



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:14 PM
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Benevolent Heretic
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And would you blame your customers for complaining about an employee who offended them that you decided to fire???? Or would firing the employee be YOUR choice and YOUR responsibility?



Are my customers upset because of poor customer service and my employees refusal to obey the rules of my shop?



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:21 PM
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Almost every evangelical preacher on the planet has one of those. He's repeating his leaders' garble...par for the course for almost all Christians. So what, he's being pinned while all the evangelicals still are aired on my TV?? They are aired as sermon every Sunday somewhere on some channel probably owned by Hearst and Disney. What's the difference?

Wonder how their contract reads?



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:32 PM
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They are aired as sermon every Sunday somewhere on some channel probably owned by Hearst and Disney. What's the difference?

Wonder how their contract reads?

I wonder how you can be comfortable with so many assumptions. Like it was the government which was the cause of Robinson being suspended, not a corporate decision.

So, you think he just hates the sin? Going off topic though. Never mind.


edit on 12/22/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:37 PM
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Well honestly I've seen mega evangelists like Baker and the likes throughout the years saying the very same rants over the TV on Sundays. The part about Hearst and Disney being the networks is just a joke. Apparently you didn't get that.

I already covered that other thing. Because a news station radio said it was for fear of the FCC coming after A&E and that's the only report I ever heard so excuse me. And the fact I really don't care about the show itself to bother reading/watching a bunch of news sources about it.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:58 PM
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So if I made a thread on here stating I was fired for such reasons you would come running to defend my right to free speech?



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:58 PM
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Does ATS have the freedom to ban you?
Yes.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 07:03 PM
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Xcalibur254
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So if I made a thread on here stating I was fired for such reasons you would come running to defend my right to free speech?


Within reason.



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