Did GLAAD mess with the wrong duck? Could this be a tipping point in the culture wars?

reply to post by Gryphon66

I am not demonizing GLAAD.
I just wonder if they agree with A&E's decision to milk all of that money out of the DD cash cow that they have there.

reply to post by butcherguy


I agree with your position on "$$$$$$$$$" at the heart of all the decisions made by A&E (and I'd expand that to include GLAAD - pleasing its own contributors - as well as Phil - expanding his audience among a demographic that would appreciate his "stand" on the "issue.")

I was making a general comment toward the discussion-at-large; I agree with your comment.

EDIT: To me, I'll say it, GLAAD's position in this made little to no sense. It doesn't help their general cause, IN MY OPINION, to prey upon the bad grammar/construction of Phil's now-famous statement. I don't think they did their constituents any favors in this particular instance but, overall, I guess it makes sense in the long game if "all publicity is good publicity."

As previously posted, I do personally believe Phil intentionally inserted "bestiality" into the sentence strategically and knowingly in the conveyance of an underlying message and belief (that his previous statements make clear). But this situation was far too easily reduced to a fairly stupid fight over a stupid technicality

I just think there's more important issues for GLAAD to spend their media capital on.

Such things might make one think that all the players in this episode were merely "reading off a pre-planned script" ... if one were bent in that direction, to consider such ... conspiracies. Eh?

Gryphon66
Aside from the fact that the connection between the Frankfurt School and "cultural marxism" is a factor in debunked conspiracy theories (Citation), implying that the Mattachine Society, the first really viable "gay rights" organization in the US, is directly related to either is shallow, spurious and utterly misleading.

Yes..it would appear on the surface to be so. But if you wanted to weaken a people socially, spiritually, mentally...in capacity you would privily institute a program to get them on any and everything but that on which their forefathers were raised. And I mean anything. Mostly this would mean sex and sexuality and instant gratification/entitlement.
For by this template or fingerprint you would be able to take them off their disciplined "postponed gratification" thinking of their forefathers and on to "instant gratification " Thinking and beliefs of entitlement...through government control, teaching ,and regulation.

This is Marxism. It is obviously a devout and zealous religion promoted by government looking for easy votes. No matter that they must needs sell the very souls of their own people down the gutter to keep and maintain power. Precisely what happened in the socialist Marxist, Communist nations until the economies would not anymore support the people.
So too it is happening here. Just by a bit different template but the goal is obvious.

You can tell one thing about the gay movement as well as other social movements. They are all emotional entitlement programs on the public purse. Racism also fits this template..highly emotional entitlements. Same thing with the womens movements...emotionally entitled.
This is what got me to realilzing that these movements were all being controlled at the top by the same controllers and being directed in the same manner....."The Science of Victimization."

And this is being done without most Amercans being able to detect it..hence privily. But those familiar with the "Science of Victimization" can see it clearly.

Here..some will find this very interesting and informative.

vimeo.com...

Most people have either forgotten or are unaware of what it meant to be "openly gay" in 1950s America, i.e. it wasn't possible unless you wanted to be arrested and incarcerated. Any social outlet known to be friendly to homosexuals (like clubs or "gay bars") was regularly and systematically harassed and raided by police and its patrons arrested. Homosexual acts ("sodomy") were illegal in all 50 states, and these laws were used almost exclusively against gay men. Of particular note, these laws were still in place in several states UNTIL 2003. (Citation)Those facts provide a little more context for quotes about the "secrecy" involved in the founding of the Mattachine Society. Being "secret" in organization and activities was a matter of retaining one's freedom in a police state.

edit on 26-12-2013 by Gryphon66 because: Gilding the lily.

Thank you Gryphon66 for confirming for me and the readers out here about the "Science of Victimization."

It is this very thing for which so many Ameicans are becoming tired and even disgusted. That someone would attempt to use guilt programming and such time warp techniques to divide and conquer or even silence others with dissenting opinions.

This is exactly what people are disgusted with concering Dan Cathy and Chick Filet and now this Duck business.

Americans are sick and tired of people using such guilt techniques to silence them ..put them in a box..they are also becoming disgusted with a media who plays along with this template.

Americans are becoming aware, albeit slowly, that there is more to people than sex and sexuality, and anyone who plays on this template is showing their stupidity.

In short Americans are beginning to catch on to stupidity in the political process when there are so many more important issues going on out here to Americans...like jobs and the economy.

"The Science of Victimization" is becoming noticeable to them....seen...not hidden...not occult anymore. And some are beginning to see openly this zealous religion of sex and sexuality for what it is.....subvesive.

No one capable of any level of thinking for themselves defines who and what they are by their sexuality. For people are so much more than this.

But politically among those uncapable of thinking outside of instant gratification beliefs and entitlements it is a powerful lure and seduction for votes and power among some.

And For socialist Marxists...it is an easy sell. It is seduction as is most of politics. But the product is not that advertised.

But first ..in the minds of those not schooled in seduction and misrepresentation...it must be made to look as if these groups are "Victims."

The "Time Warp" does not work with me because I have seen it used and misused by to many groups.

The racism cottage industry uses it oftet to illustrate that they will be going back to Jim Crow days or further. Fear and insecurity...just vote for me and this political party..we will solve all this for you "victims."

The Womens movements use it to claim a "War on Women" and that women will be forced to wear burkas ete etc et al. Fear and insecurity...just vote for me ..we will solve all this for you "Victims."

And it is precisely the same template for these groups like gay rights and others.

No one here is talking about going back to those days. It does not wash to people who can think for themselves.

Thanks to all for their posts,
Orangetom

reply to post by orangetom1999

This post seems to be playing up that same "victimization" pretty hard.

Yes I see know how it divides.

There is no identifiable (overt or covert) group that is out to weaken Americans socially, spiritually [sic], or mentally ... or in any other way. There are many groups that want to dominate the political dialogue to the exclusion of all others. There are many who invoke false dichotomies and any number of logical fallacies to make this attempt at dominance, and who are currently experiencing great success usually with about half of any given population at a time. (Sadly).

Marxism, in the most basic and generic definition, is philosophy based on the writings of Karl Marx.

Marxism is not merely a summation of everything one doesn't agree with in society.

There is no one unified Marxism.

Most of the recognizable movements in this country that have to seek greater "rights" for their members are those groups whose basic rights under the Constitution of the United States were trampled on due to historical tradition.

Any blanket statement that casts gay rights, racial equality, gender equality or any other struggle for equal rights wholesale as mere "entitlement programs" is PROFOUNDLY backward to say the least. Such a statement reveals the character of the author itself better than anything I could say.

Attempts to research a ""The Science of Victimization"" by Google search only result in one page on a well-known right-wing website. (Source)

When the expression of dissenting opinions in the public arena of ideas is now coded as attempts to silence someone or abridge the right of expression is nothing more than a hypocritical reversal of what one side of the irrational "rightest or leftist" fallacy has done to the other for years. Further, cries of "victimization" when one is pointedly condemning others for making that precise complaint reflects an incredible level of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance if not intentional dishonesty.

Such irrationalities speak directly to the fundamental reasons that we as a free society have a great deal further to develop until "freedom and justice for all" can be uttered without extreme bitterness and dark humor.

daskakik
reply to post by orangetom1999

 

This post seems to be playing up that same "victimization" pretty hard.

Yes I see know how it divides.

Glad to hear it from you daskakik. Glad to hear that someone else now can see it.

Now go out and tell others how to recognize it so that they will begin to think for themselves and then tell others how to spot it.

Leadership will use and misuse phony "Victimization" on us to set the hook and reel us in for votes or at least to remain silent unless you can learn to cut the victimization strings or spit out the hook.

Most important ..educate yourself and teach others how to do it. How to spot these phonies.

This is not leadership..it is a parasite misusing and abusing us as a people. Divide and Conquer.

Thanks,
Orangetom

reply to post by orangetom1999

I was being sarcastic.

This:

Americans are sick and tired of people using such guilt techniques to silence them ..put them in a box..they are also becoming disgusted with a media who plays along with this template.

Is a camplaint about the template while using that very same template.

reply to post by Gryphon66


Except for one thing..Gryphon66...all these groups are being used to divide a nation and people..not to unite them. This is obvious. It is also the point you do not discuss...in lieu of more "victimization."

This is how some of us know that "Victimization " is extremely important to the body politic to solidify their voting base.

It was made popular so many years ago by Phil Donahue and his television program and spawned a placebo of copy cats until it became a dietary staple among the most emotionally immature of Americans.

Mature people are not that easily emoted.

And the body politic did not miss out on this template. Social engineers and political scientists realized that this was a powerful political tool. Not difficult to see this for what it is.

All I have to do is watch Represenative Gwen Moore of Wisconsin and also Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson and their version of chasing fire trucks to see it's predictability. So too with the media parasiting off of it as well...and with predictability.

I never watch this genre of talk shows. I can get the same thing watching the news media and politicians from the top down. No thinking involved.

You are attempting to show that something does not exist when anyone capable of keeping track of history and what happens and does not happen can see it for themselves. It is when it becomes predictable that it becomes very very obvious.
Someone out here needs "Victimization " to acheive their goals. It has become a political dietary staple today.

Thanks,
Orangetom

Any and all discernable groups of American citizens are what make up this country in all their particular divergence be that race, gender, religion, national origin, sexual preference, etc. This is a clear and obvious fact. A unified group or homogeneity only exists when one is willing to exclude all others who are different, which is the great dream of virtually all fascist ideologies.

Putting quotation marks around words and phrases and capitalizing them does not automatically create some new level of veracity, e.g. "Victimization" and or "The Science of Victimization," etc., it merely implies that there is some additional meaning or significance where none exists without some sort of evidence.

When one's ideological problems are found exclusively with gays, women and African Americans, perhaps one should review what is meant by the terms bigotry, sexism and racism.

Use of the phrases "everyone can see this" or "anyone can see this themselves" is usually a dead giveaway to attempts to conceal ignorance and prejudice that can't be substantiated in any other way except to imply that any "right thinking" individual would agree with one's position.

reply to post by Gryphon66


Wow! I wish I'd written that. Some very insightful thinking about bigotry and prejudice in our society today.

What is wrong with people. I swear its like everything is racist or in this case against gay rights its like what the freak. It states in the Bible men and women and that men with men is wrong and women with women is wrong. He was only stating what was in the Bible. let the gay rights folks talk to God about that. Why can't they just leave it alone. He said he still loved everyone the same no matter what. So what the heck is wrong with it???? I think people are just so fast to jump the gun and point their finger and yell that it's against their rights however it's against his rights to slam him for believing in what he believes in to be true. So what is right and what is wrong. I think the gays have issues.

reply to post by Gryphon66

Replace "LGBT" with "Christian," and replace "gay" with "religious" and "straight" with "non-religious." Now read it again.

Replace "LGBT" with "Republican," and replace "gay" with "conservative" and "straight" with "liberal." Now read it again.

You can replace LGBT with "Democrat" or "atheist" or "Quaker" or "Libertarian" or "Librarian" or "intolerant people masquerading as tolerant" and get the same point.

When any group is reduced to second-class citizen status, we all are.

Do I get the same point when I replace lgbt with pedophile? If not, why not?

It's not an academic question, either, since there are pedo groups looking to use the same playbook in order to gain societal acceptance. Am I a second class citizen if I don't want them to have that acceptance?

Indeed, what IS wrong with people? Allow me to descend into some similarly fallacious logic for a moment:

"Why would anyone not enjoy being treated like second-class citizens because of the tint of their skin, or the kind of person that they love (or lust) after, or their physical (or mental) gender, or the country that their ancestors came from, or the functioning of their legs, hands, eyes or ears ... or even, *gasp* their religion? Why can't all of these people who are different from the imaginary majority just suck it up and accept that they should take what they get in life and be happy with it, after all, no one's being burnt at the stake anymore, right? Right?"

Please. The Bible also says "Judge not that ye be not judged." It also says that one should "love your neighbor as yourself" and to "do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Why aren't Christians harping on these verses with at least equal time to the ones that are misused as God says you are trash so shut the heck up? Hmmm?

I'll tell you why, because such irrationality has nothing to do with morality, God, or even Christianity ... it has everything to do with the complex justifications that humans create for treating other humans differently because of some holier-than-thou ENTITLEMENT complex on the part of certain classes "in power." It has to do with people who perceive themselves safe or untouchable in their own superior statuses as the only "normal/honest/good" people who can then look down on everyone else with smug supremacy ... particularly when some underclass gets "uppity" and acts like they're just as good as everyone else.

Imagine that.

/eyeroll

Oookay. Time for an ATS break. Be well.

reply to post by Gryphon66


You are wrong on many levels. YES there is a progressive movement trying to gain and retain power around the world including the US. They have tried in the past and failed and the time has come again to face this down again.



It is easy to see once you look for it and know the signs. They use fear and apathy as the main tools to control. They break down households and schools using the progressive mindset.




Whenever you see leaders putting the rights of the masses over the rights of the individual it is the calling card of the progressive PTB. They have or want oligarchies put in places of control across the world. Banking,schools,health care just to name a few.

reply to post by Gryphon66

EDIT: To me, I'll say it, GLAAD's position in this made little to no sense. It doesn't help their general cause, IN MY OPINION, to prey upon the bad grammar/construction of Phil's now-famous statement. I don't think they did their constituents any favors in this particular instance but, overall, I guess it makes sense in the long game if "all publicity is good publicity."

Heh. I'm glad to see that we agree, since your stance here pretty much echoes my rebuttals along the way.

Pedophilia when acted upon is child molestation, which is a crime of an adult individual abusing a child sexually. Last time I checked, reported incidences of child molestation are most predominant as being perpetrated by 1) family members, 2) members of the clergy, and 3) educators.

Further, an expert panel of researchers convened by the National Academy of Sciences noted in a 1993 report: "The distinction between homosexual and heterosexual child molesters relies on the premise that male molesters of male victims are homosexual in orientation. Most molesters of boys do not report sexual interest in adult men, however" (National Research Council, 1993, p. 143). (Source)

The classic ideological trifecta of homosexuality=bestiality=pedophila is obviously alive and well though isn't it? What's the basic difference?

Homosexual sexual behavior occurs between two competent and consenting adults.

That is not the case with child molestation, bestiality or rape. Why? No adult consent.

Repeat after me.

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Where are they? Who are they? What are you using progressive to mean in this context? When did they try in the past? Who faced them down? When, where, how?

It's "easy to see when once you look for it and know the signs" Wow. That is almost a textbook definition of confirmation bias "(also called confirmatory bias or myside bias) - a tendency for people to favor information that confirms their preconceptions or hypotheses regardless of whether the information is true."(Source)

Of course, arguably, we are all victims of confirmation bias all the time ... but that is an epistemological argument.

reply to post by Gryphon66


Very well said. You outlined the logic...

This subject has been a touchy one. My family mostly believes opposite of me and truly this is nothing new. Living in TN. ( the Bible belt) I see, live near, love and date people who are so anti homosexuality that they make excuses for their hate.

I told some of my cousins last night that if they are trying to represent Jesus then do as he did and do not be a part of hate or judgement toward another. Create peace with their words and actions, not war. That's what Jesus teaches.

We are all "sinners" and there is not one I believe that is worse than another. We don't have a right to judge someone else. We have enough faults to find of our own and energy could be spent on our self instead of bringing someone down, without trying to lift them up.

"Love the Lord thy God and Love thy neighbor as yourself is the greatest commandments of all. When doing those two every other commandment is taken care of.

"For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another." Galatians 5:13-15

Brotherly love in the biblical sense is an extension of the natural affection associated with near kin, toward the greater community of fellow believers, that goes beyond the mere duty in Leviticus 19:18 to "love thy neighbor as thyself", and shows itself as "unfeigned love" from a "pure heart", that extends an unconditional hand of friendship that loves when not loved back, that gives without getting, and that ever looks for what is best in others.

Paul states the law of Christ.. "Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ".

Jesus never says at the end of all that ^^^..... "except for the homosexuals."

Following Christ may be harder than what the Christian is willing to do.

reply to post by orangetom1999

Blue Moon Joe,

Culture wars?? Wow!!

That is to me just more fractionating into different camps. It is not leadership..it is divide and conquer. Or put another way, by those familiar with history.

Heh. Well, don't shoot the messenger, since I'm just describing the situation. The way you set it up you would think I'm way out of line by doing so.

Whenever you get a people or nation to big or difficult to handle from external pressures ..ie..conflict and war...you divide them into camps on any issues you can dream up..and get them to fight themselves. Those who read history can see this pattern occurring over and over in certain situations.

Right. Culture wars.

By the mention of the Frankfurt School I am thinking you are also referring to the Mattachine Society and their connection to the Communist Party USA and also the Chicago Political Machine going back a number of years...though they changed form and label so as not to be so recognizable to the public. Is this correct? I ask this because so few have ever heard of either the Frankfurt School or the Mattachine Society. en.wikipedia.org... en.wikipedia.org...

I'm saying PC is an outgrowth of the cultural marxism and criticial theory that blossomed in the Frankfurt School along with the ideas of Gramsci. This postmodern push against the traditional order is what is behind the culture wars. Details may be kicked around, but that is my thesis and I'm sticking to it.

If more people knew they would be deeply disturbed..at both political parties in this country...Republicans and Democrats. For they teach nothing about these origins or histories. As I am often prone to state...people here in America seem to be verily dumbed down and often substitute emotions for real informations and thinking.

Yes, they are dumbed down and emotions are far more important than reasoned thinking. Part of the PC plan and anyone who knows the value of values clarification and all that rot in education can see how it has taken place over the years. Anyone interested in how education got to be so should look up Richard Mitchell, the Underground Grammarian. Nobody tears into the horrors of the ills of the US education system and how it got that way like RM. He is a treasure for anyone who values lucid thought and scathing wit over emotive fluff and ideological flab.

Yes, folks, you and yours are being dumbed down, and no, it wasn't an accident.

reply to post by Gryphon66

There's no reason to demonize GLAAD in this or any other issue.

There wasn't any reason for the glaadiators to seek to demonize Phil, but that's what they most certainly attempted to do. Trouble is, it wasn't accurate and didn't work and boomeranged on them and bit them in the ass.