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Son of Will
reply to post by BlueMoonJoe
If you ever make any logical defenses, let me know. All I heard is "you're wrong, you're stupid" without addressing anything I said.
And your "No, it's the Old Testament that's bad, not the New Testament!" defense is absurd - the sane deity resides in both. Surely you acknowledge that much?
PS, I see I offended you. But understand that you have to compete with the logic if you want to get anywhere. Emotional arguments are just another way of saying "... I got nothing."
The Evangelical Lutheran Church supports gay marriage.
What if Duck Commander fired an employee that belonged to that faith, for voicing their beliefs about gay marriage.... outside of the workplace.
Would GLAAD be okay with that? Would they support the decision to fire the employee?
I'd really love to see any evidence that A&E took their action against Phil Robertson at the behest of GLAAD. Does anyone have any? Evidence, facts, quotes, ... anything? No?
The same group that initially gave f-word-spouting, homophobic liberal Alec Baldwin a pass accused Robertson of uttering "some of the vilest and most extreme statements" against "LGBT people" ever.
A&E folded faster than a stadium seat, immediately disavowing Robertson and suspending him from his family's show indefinitely. Meanwhile, network execs continued to cash in on the lucrative "Duck Dynasty" empire with a marathon of program reruns on the very day they threw Robertson under the bus. The network is free to do that, of course. And I am free to tell you all about the radical thugs that A&E indulged.
GLAAD has worked tirelessly to marginalize and suppress the free speech of Christian leaders, Christian businesses and conservative talk-radio hosts dating back to their infamous Dr. Laura boycott 13 years ago. The group's mission is not about equality or defending against "defamation." It's about silencing critics, making open debate radioactive, demonizing people of faith and making even the slightest perceived slight a hate crime.
Last year, GLAAD speech-squelchers issued a blacklist of 34 Christian commentators they wanted networks to ban from their air for "extreme" views (read: opposing gay marriage). Earlier this year, GLAAD attacked the National Geographic Channel for partnering with the traditional values-promoting Boy Scouts on a reality TV program. GLAAD is free to start its own Gay Scouts, but instead chose to harangue NatGeo for refusing to run a "disclaimer" at the beginning of each show condemning the Boy Scouts' leadership policies.
reply to post by Glass
And just the same if A&E fired the Duck Dynasty founder for expressing an honest opinion about his problems with homosexuality.
What is worse, is that GLAAD grossly misstated what was said in the interview, and tried to get Phil fired for things he did not say.
“It seems like, to me, a vagina—as a man—would be more desirable than a man’s anus. That’s just me. I’m just thinking: There’s more there! She’s got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes! You know what I’m saying? But hey, sin: It’s not logical, my man. It’s just not logical.”
Read More www.gq.com...
What, in your mind, is sinful?
“Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,” he says. Then he paraphrases Corinthians: “Don’t be deceived. Neither the adulterers, the idolaters, the male prostitutes, the homosexual offenders, the greedy, the drunkards, the slanderers, the swindlers—they won’t inherit the kingdom of God. Don’t deceive yourself. It’s not right.” Read More www.gq.com...
“We never, ever judge someone on who’s going to heaven, hell. That’s the Almighty’s job. We just love ’em, give ’em the good news about Jesus—whether they’re homosexuals, drunks, terrorists. We let God sort ’em out later, you see what I’m saying?” Read more: Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson Makes Anti-Gay Statements | TIME.com entertainment.time.com...
reply to post by BlueMoonJoe
You asked did A & E get Pressured By GLAAD to Punish Phil, was GLAAD behind this?
“What’s especially troubling for minority communities in this country, the civil rights movements, especially the gay civil rights movement, was about asking for people and demanding the right for us to be able to live our lives as we see fit without being punished for being different. It’s ironic also that one of the big campaigns by the gay community is about ending bullying. If this is not a sign of the ultimate of bullying I don’t know what is,” said Bruce.
Oh. Perhaps you can explain how this duck show and it's seemingly backwoods (though clearly fake) lead act qualifies as 'culture'? Sigh! Perhaps they are justified in treating us like swine.
"Duck Dynasty" is on hiatus until Jan. 15, and a network spokesman said Thursday that nine of next season's 10 episodes have already been filmed. That means Robertson likely isn't needed in front of the camera before next March, by which time this whole crisis may have blown over.
And blow over it will, eventually, says veteran Hollywood crisis publicist Howard Bragman, who added that Robertson will likely return to the show as well, perhaps after making a heartfelt apology. "There's too much money at stake," said Bragman, vice president of reputation.com. "Although he plays kind of a hick on TV, I don't think he's dumb. I think he gets what's at stake here. And I hope people on his team, the network and his producers get the message that what he did was wrong. "
As someone who has lived with being homosexual and transgender, I feel obligated to inform you that your perspective is somewhat flawed. You see, not all of us have the privilege of being able to "define ourselves", that is, many of us are forced into these definitions by others.
Having no special lineage of my own (I come from a family of mixed immigrants; French, Ukrainian, Swedish, Irish, all poor) I've been unable to define myself in any meaningful way in that regard, other than "white".
Before I even had the opportunity to have an occupation or achieve some great work, I was labelled by others as "gay", along with all the accompanying hateful words and titles that brings. Being labelled as such tends to limit one's ability to obtain employment, making it rather difficult to create some great legacy by which to define oneself.
Though I never sought to define myself by my sexuality, I had that definition thrust upon me.
Once again...no thinking person knowing any history ..defines themselves by their sexuality or sexual orientation. It just isnt done. I do not find it to be a privilege to be so ignorant as to do define ones self.
I am not speaking here against sexuality or sexual orientation per se...
I am speaking against cultural and institutional stupidity.
Tammy Bruce, along with being a Lesbian, is also a conservative commentator that appears regularly on Fox News as well as subbing in for Laura Ingram on her show.
Camille Paglia, along with being a Lesbian and Libertarian, is a favorite of radio programmers like, coincidentally, Laura Ingram, on whose show she made these most recent comments.
In my opinion, two Lesbians do not speak for all Lesbians nor all gays, bisexuals or transgendered people.
GLAAD is a political activist group that exists for a specific purpose but also does not speak for all Lesbians, gays, bisexuals or transgendered people, in my opinion.
ADDED IN EDIT: In my opinion, in retrospect, GLAAD probably did overemphasize their interpretation of what Phil Robertson said in his GQ interview. However, what he said was so poorly structured that also I understand, and I think most could, why it sounds like he's comparing homosexuality to bestiality.
As previously noted, in the Corinthians "list of sins" bestiality does not appear ... so he's not just quoting the Bible and/or expressing his religious beliefs -- he's making a statement.
This isn't about political correctness, it's called being intolerant to people that are different than you. Phil doesn't like gay people or minorities. It's more than okay to call him out on it and everyone with that old testament holier than thou attitude. It's not okay to be that stupid and then get offended when we call you out on it.
reply to post by BlueMoonJoe
In today's PC culture if you have an opinion that is counter to what is considered acceptable, keep it to yourself or you will be punished.
Basically, shut the hell up unless you agree with them.