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How do you describe Earth's Universal Coordinates

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posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 04:09 AM
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Phage
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The thing to remember is that any human derived co-ordinate system is irrelevant from an alien perspective.
The point of the OP was to provide a means for those of the alien persuasion to locate Earth. Since, as pointed out in the OP, the aliens in Contact were able to designate a location in space(time) to humans (as backward as we surely are), humans should be able to convey our location to aliens (as advanced as they may be).


Right. Did you read the book Contact? Because Carl Sagan goes into detail a little about this and it is based on pulsars. Thats also him holding up the Pioneer 10 plaque. He was one of the reasons they chose pulsars as a system that both us and the aliens or our future selves would have in common.

My point stands, any coordinate system WE devise would be irrelevant. HOWEVER the universe gifted us with pulsars which both they and us would have in common.




A simple coding problem with a variety of solutions.


Pulsars are the simplest solution.

Anything which goes into creating a system of measurement and then describing the arbitrary units is a magnitude more complicated than saying "Here, find 3 of these pulsars and call us."

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posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 04:29 AM
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You guys are really trying too hard. Everyone knows you just need to know the 7th chevron once you input the others…

And I'm sure they know where they are.



posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 04:37 AM
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boncho
You guys are really trying too hard. Everyone knows you just need to know the 7th chevron once you input the others…

And I'm sure they know where they are.


Small thinking tau ri...

we're talking 8 chevron stuff here.

coh...




posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 11:13 AM
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Yes this has happened before.



26 year old Sgt. James Penniston was part of the three man USAF Security Police team called to investigate the landed craft of unknown origin in Rendlesham Forest.
Penniston cautiously approached the non aero dynamic, triangular, black, glassy craft. It was like nothing he had ever witnessed before or since. The craft had patterns of blue, yellow and red colors running through the surface as though part of the craft. It was very difficult to put into words what he was witnessing.
When Sgt. Penniston put his hand on the etched symbols, which felt like sandpaper compared to the rest of the smooth molded surface, everything became a brilliant bright white. He could neither see nor hear. He was alone in a brilliant bright white light. Next, he received patterns of ones and zeros into his mind. It was as though a movie of flashing ones and zeros was running in his brain or minds eye.
www.therendleshamforestincident.com...



posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 04:03 PM
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greyer
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Yes this has happened before.



26 year old Sgt. James Penniston was part of the three man USAF Security Police team called to investigate the landed craft of unknown origin in Rendlesham Forest.
Penniston cautiously approached the non aero dynamic, triangular, black, glassy craft. It was like nothing he had ever witnessed before or since. The craft had patterns of blue, yellow and red colors running through the surface as though part of the craft. It was very difficult to put into words what he was witnessing.
When Sgt. Penniston put his hand on the etched symbols, which felt like sandpaper compared to the rest of the smooth molded surface, everything became a brilliant bright white. He could neither see nor hear. He was alone in a brilliant bright white light. Next, he received patterns of ones and zeros into his mind. It was as though a movie of flashing ones and zeros was running in his brain or minds eye.
www.therendleshamforestincident.com...



Lol, right. Binary code translated into ASCII to give longitude and latitude of places on Earth.

Beyond the binary code, this all sounds more like something WE would use not aliens.

ASCII? Really?



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 05:37 AM
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the only issue - is agreeing and communicating the location of 0 / 0 / 0 [ x / y / z ] without relying on a piori knowledge of where 0 / 0 / 0 is

oh - and what the scale is



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 06:25 AM
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ignorant_ape
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the only issue - is agreeing and communicating the location of 0 / 0 / 0 [ x / y / z ] without relying on a piori knowledge of where 0 / 0 / 0 is

oh - and what the scale is



and the frame of reference... ie is it XYZ or XZY or ZYX etc....
then there is how one would express X, Y, or Z in a unit of measure they would know.

Using pulsar locations to pinpoint ours (or anyone else's for that matter) was genius because it assumes no other knowledge on the part of the aliens than basic radio astronomy. Pulsars were one of the first thing discovered by radio astronomy.

You might know this but, they were initially nicknamed "LGMs" for "Little Green Men" because the regular pulses were thought to be similar to what we were expecting from ET. It didn't take long before a natural explanation for them emerged in the form of rapidly spinning neutron stars.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 07:58 AM
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Question - I was watching a science documentary on space flight and I remember them stating that in order to travel from one point in space to another, the coordinates had to be exact to a minimum of 32 decimal places.

I don't remember the documentary... It was a few years back.

Do you know if that info is accurate?

I'm asking you since you seem to be very knowledgeable in this area. If anyone else knows feel free to answer.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 08:57 AM
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That is still only an opinion and looking at the vessel he himself was given his view of mankind and intelligent life may be a little jaded.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 09:02 AM
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Do you need to send directions to someone ? Just tell them that although we are not exactly in the middle of no where we can see it from here.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 09:20 AM
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Xcathdra
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Question - I was watching a science documentary on space flight and I remember them stating that in order to travel from one point in space to another, the coordinates had to be exact to a minimum of 32 decimal places.

I don't remember the documentary... It was a few years back.

Do you know if that info is accurate?

I'm asking you since you seem to be very knowledgeable in this area. If anyone else knows feel free to answer.



32 decimal places ?
At what scale of measurement?

Here check out this quick read, it may help.

yarchive.net / newsgroups sci space shuttle / 2000 / navigation

It talks about some of the old navigation methods,
as well as the newer automated ones.





As stated in the link above, with the Apollo missions
there was a requirement that all navigation be done
without any help from earth.





The PGNCS was used.

It used an optical system tied to a computer.



The CM had a fixed sextant the AOT, which could measure angles between stars, and Earth or Moon landmarks and planetary horizon. The unit included a scanning telescope for star sightings, and could be used to determine position and orientation in space.

wikipedia / PGNCS / Optical unit


Mike Grouchy
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posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 09:37 AM
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JadeStar





... and when the aliens analyze the plaque
they could just as well conclude the following.


The rays on the left: Each ray ends in musical notation, this represents the sequences of a dance. Obviously we are dealing with a culture.

The two figures on the right: Just like we do, they use figures to represent navigation and math. The two figures are the area above and below their galactic plane. Since the arms are not extended outward, AND are not embracing each other, this means their system is collapsing. The raised limb is a plea for help.

Conclusion: This is a distress call. Rendering the rays into music and dance has produced such a horrid sound that it can only confirm this conclusion, as it must be a funeral dirge.



/ end speculation


All math precedes from some philosophical premise,
one that is required to understand the context.

The best thing that _could_ have been sent with voyager
is a self orienting telescope that always aims towards Sol.

Mike Grouchy
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