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Putin: NSA surveillance needed to fight terrorism

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posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 05:52 PM
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I'm not clear whether this should be in the Jokes forum or not so I've put it here.

Source Story

So, the NSA surveillance gets an endorsement from Vladimir Putin. Well, thank God for that, all must be well with the world considering what a top bloke Vladimir Putin is.

So then what next, an endorsement from the North Koreans about the use of nuclear missiles, or perhaps a fuzzy warm statement from Benjamin Netanyahu that apartheid really isn't that bad.

Fairdinkum, WTF.

Kind Regards
Myselfaswell




posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:01 PM
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Seems I remember hearing more than once about the USA having reciprocal arrangements with a few other countries in Europe and Russia to go along with certain things or have information revealed about the other country that the other country would not want revealed.

Reciprocal Blackmail.. either this is the case, or this situation also fits with that other country's domestic agenda. Or not, but I do remember hearing some official somewhere saying this.. Maybe it was in a book I read..



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:05 PM
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I made a thread a while ago about Russia and the US working together.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So yes Putin likes the NSA. Why do you think Tom Donilon was hanging out with him in Russia when the Boston Bombing happened?



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:07 PM
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Consider the source.
He has said a few things that I can agree with but overall I wouldn't trust him any more than Bush or Obama.



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:10 PM
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This should be your first clue you trampled on people's Liberty.

When a former KGB agent likes your system of spying on people.

He is running this Nation like we are in High School.



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:17 PM
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What a joke. They have all ways worked together.

Cold war = US and USSR become Super Powers in charge. After the Nazis were defeated the world said no one could every build a military like Germany did ever again. Cold War US USSR both did while the world watched and ate popcorn. But it all was going according to plan. After all it was planed all the way back to Operation Paperclip where they divided up the scientist from Germany. Hell Russia and the US goes all the way back to the first IBM computer being built in Russia at the same time to come up with the software to run on it. Russia came up with a 7 bit system. the US came up with a 8 bit system that was chosen as the winner.

They have all ways worked together. They just give you a Dog and Pony Show to keep you questioning what you already should know.
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posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:17 PM
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Can we please stop all the NSA bashing?
Believe it or not, the NSA is an integral part of the USA's security, and they are doing a mighty fine job in keeping us safe. Whilst Snowden has revealed a lot about their operations, much of it has been misinterpreted, either by the media or the gullible folks out there. If you think the NSA is out to get you and doing everything in its power to get to know you, you are quite simply wrong. First, the NSA focuses on foreign intelligence work, their work rarely reaches within the US borders. Second, do you have an idea of how many terrorist groups are out there? Insane individuals, fanatical religious groups, Mafia, Drug Cartels (imo the biggest enemy to our safety and well-being) and lastly cyber criminals.
Think for once, you are not and never will be the target of an investigation if you are not part of one of the above mentioned groups/individuals.
I know that many of you would love to see the NSA being disintegrated, but little do you know how often they actually saved and defended out rights, freedoms and lives.



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:21 PM
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They are doing a great job where they can't even come up with one example of it deterring terrorism.

But they have gave us the Boston Bombers. Fine and dandy they blow up people at a marathon.And do nothing after wards. But shut the whole city of Boston down when he shoots one cop.

They gave us Arron Alexis the Navy Yard Shooter. Another fine young man given the green light by who? Meg Whitman and HP. Great.

And Don't forget Meg Whitman also gave us Snowden. Yes same green light by her was given to him too. But I think the Cold Case Posse visiting Hawaii is what got him to do what he did. More Arizona B.S.
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posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:26 PM
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Don't forget TEPCO " Nuclear power is save"



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:28 PM
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JBA2848
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They are doing a great job where they can't even come up with one example of it deterring terrorism.

But they have gave us the Boston Bombers. Fine and dandy they blow up people at a marathon. Shut the whole city of Boston down when he shots one cop.

They gave us Arron Alexis the Navy Yard Shooter. Another fine young man given the green light by who? Meg Whitman and HP. Great.



If that is the point you want to make, blame the FBI, this has little to nothing to do with the intelligence work that the NSA is involved in. Again, the NSA focuses of foreign intelligence.



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:31 PM
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The NSA spies on everybody or did you miss the Memo?
Why do you think there is such a big stink about the NSA?
Because they have turned it inward and not just outward like it was supposed to be.



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:33 PM
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JBA2848
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The NSA spies on everybody or did you miss the Memo?
Why do you think there is such a big stink about the NSA?
Because they have turned it inward and not just outward like it was supposed to be.


Then you must have evidence of them doing so, I would like to see it. Maybe you can change my perspective.



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 06:59 PM
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Putin isn't all that bad, and he's smart. He knows the average "american" thinks he is the devil, so maybe if he endorses it, 'americans' will be more apt to go OH FACK NO and get rid of it.





posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 07:09 PM
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Hushabye
Putin isn't all that bad, and he's smart. He knows the average "american" thinks he is the devil, so maybe if he endorses it, 'americans' will be more apt to go OH FACK NO and get rid of it.




"Getting rid of it" will only complicate things, not offer an actual solution to the problems we face today.
But I do agree, Putin is one of the most capable politicians out there, one of the few who actually have the experience what real politics is all about.



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 07:29 PM
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You are funny.

www.reuters.com...



(Reuters) - In April 2011, then-Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin was asked an unusually flattering question by an American journalist: "Are you the coolest man in politics?"

The interview, which ran on the website of Outdoor Life magazine, was set up by Ketchum Inc., the U.S. public-relations firm that has worked to burnish Russia's image since 2006.

On Thursday, Ketchum scored another public-relations coup: It helped place a Putin commentary in opinion pages of The New York Times, just as representatives from Russia and the United States were beginning to meet in Geneva to negotiate a plan for Syria to give up its chemical weapons.


His politics is the same as any of them. Hire a PR Company to do it for you.

And the NSA spying on Americans in America? Is it hard to find evidence of this? No! Hell it was plastered all over the news even before Edward Snowden.

How about Paula Broadwell? She used her NSA job to spy on Jill Kelly. Or did you miss it when they said Broadwell slept with Patreaus? And how about the cover up? NSA head Tom Donilon in the White House did not tell Obama about any of it until after Obama won the election.



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 07:32 PM
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" Seems I remember hearing more than once about the USA having reciprocal arrangements with a few other countries in Europe and Russia to go along with certain things or have information revealed about the other country that the other country would not want revealed.

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So , in other words , the U.S. Spy Agentcies are Blackmailing other Countries to Play along or Else...........WTF is Wrong with that Picture Pray tell Sir ?



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 07:34 PM
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Clairaudience
Can we please stop all the NSA bashing?
Believe it or not, the NSA is an integral part of the USA's security, and they are doing a mighty fine job in keeping us safe. Whilst Snowden has revealed a lot about their operations, much of it has been misinterpreted, either by the media or the gullible folks out there. If you think the NSA is out to get you and doing everything in its power to get to know you, you are quite simply wrong. First, the NSA focuses on foreign intelligence work, their work rarely reaches within the US borders. Second, do you have an idea of how many terrorist groups are out there? Insane individuals, fanatical religious groups, Mafia, Drug Cartels (imo the biggest enemy to our safety and well-being) and lastly cyber criminals.
Think for once, you are not and never will be the target of an investigation if you are not part of one of the above mentioned groups/individuals.
I know that many of you would love to see the NSA being disintegrated, but little do you know how often they actually saved and defended out rights, freedoms and lives.


Secret courts are un-American.



Shall we look at the long lineage of secret courts that the NSA has decided to be a part of?















The illicit organization became notorious for its revival of the horrors of the medieval Femegerichte – secret courts – which dealt arbitrary death sentences against Germans who revealed the activities of the 'Black Reichswehr' to the Allied Control Commission.

- The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich




























Document showing King Henry VII sitting in the Star Chamber.


The Star Chamber (Latin: Camera stellata) was an English court of law that sat at the royal Palace of Westminster from the late 15th century until 1641. It was made up of Privy Councillors, as well as common-law judges and supplemented the activities of the common-law and equity courts in both civil and criminal matters. The court was set up to ensure the fair enforcement of laws against prominent people, those so powerful that ordinary courts would never convict them of their crimes. Court sessions were held in secret, with no indictments, and no witnesses. Evidence was presented in writing. Over time it evolved into a political weapon, a symbol of the misuse and abuse of power by the English monarchy and courts.







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fascist clandistocracy

Fascist: a bundle of rods containing an ax with the blade projecting, borne before Roman magistrates as an emblem of official power.

clandestinus -a -um [secret , clandestine]; Adv. clandestino.

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It's unfortunate too,
as official power is supposed to be with "We The People",
and I can think of nothing more UN-American than secret courts and Judges.

Like the ones presiding over the NSA's prism operations.


You say that the NSA is "doing a mighty fine job" and that "they keep us safe"...

The Nazi's, the Dean of Harvard, and King Henry VII said the same things.

The NSA is on the wrong side of history.


If the NSA wants to be legit,
they would openly cover and report on how our
American tourists and businessmen were being treated in other countries.
Uploading footage to Youtube, showing businessmen being kidnapped for ransom,
or their family members, showing corrupt police in other countries shaking people
down for bribes.

You know. Actually helping us.

And if so-called terrorist are their real target,
what is the NSA scared of, making Syrian rebels famous for using chemical weapons?



Mike Grouchy
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posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 07:48 PM
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Yes they really worked them over in Russia to get the spying done.

en.ria.ru...

USAID and Hillary Clinton setup a billion dollar deal to teach Russia how to use the internet. Hell USAID gave them 10 million to start. Cisco will give the lion share to them.But then you have to wonder. Why do we need to teach them how to use the internet? Just look at the hackers most wanted list. They are mostly Russians.

www.fbi.gov...



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 08:05 PM
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Everyone is spying on everyone. The NSA aren't the only ones in the game. They've all gone too far but with how easy it is to collect & store digital data this shouldn't come as a surprise. But, just because they can do it doesn't mean they should.

Rand Paul said it best, if we had angels in charge of these systems everything would be fine, but that's clearly not the case nor will it ever be.



posted on Dec, 19 2013 @ 08:11 PM
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Probably because there is no Nationalism anymore , just a World Corporate Theocracy that is in Control of Every Goverment of consequence . They go along to get along . Meanwhile , it's their people who Suffer because of it .



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