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reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb
Paul was not always consistent with the words of Jesus. In fact, he contradicted Jesus in many ways. A discussion on how and why calls for an entirely new thread. But much has been written about this, so I can only leave you with these links from these presumably Christian sources...
Paul is consistent with Jesus words as far as I am aware of. Jesus's words are Gods words, so saying Jesus or God was a bit redundant. Are you saying Jesus didn't preach about forgiveness of sin
Paul's Contradictions of Jesus (jesuswordsonly.com)
PAUL vs. JESUS - A List of Contradictory and Incompatible Statements (voiceofjesus.org)
Are Paul's Writings Faultless? (jesusfamilies.org)
All I mean is that people should truly attempt to connect with God before and as they're reading it, and see if He reveals anything to them personally. At what point have I distorted words, or read my own meanings into things?
An atheist or mocker reads the Bible to look for things to mock. A christian intends to connect with God, but most often reads to arrive at a pre-decided conclusion on a number of theological issues.
What I meant is that if you were to apply objectivity, take the words at face-value and refrain from reading meanings into verses, you would be closer to the meaning. This is my approach towards the Bible.
To illustrate, God stating "he follows my decrees and faithfully keeps my laws.That man is righteous. literally means that those who faithfully keep the laws are righteous. Yet, Christians negelect Gods direct words and mish-mash unrelated verses from Paul and all over the Bible to come up with something completely contradicting the statement from God. They may call it reading with a "spiritual eye", but it still amounts to:
a) Distorting the meaning of the words
b) Letting Pauls words take precedence over the direct words of God.
Of course, this happens when people take an if-its-in-the-Bible-it-must-be-true approach towards studying the Bible.
reply to post by Woodcarver
Only god can ordain a war? You have just won the prize. And how does one know when god has ordained a war? Is it the voices in his head? Dont you see how dangerous these thoughts are? Do you? Because it sounds like some crazy bs to me.
How do you differentiate the crazy voices from the divine ones? Do you only listen to the voices that say they are from god? This is dangerous on so many levels. You believe the bible is true because it says it is the words of god? So why not the voices? There are lots of crazies around and then you have people like you who follow the crazies around believing they're talking to god.edit on 22-12-2013 by Woodcarver because: (no reason given)
reply to post by ServantOfTheLamb
Skorpion. I stated that you are quote mining from the bible.
You are still quote mining.
You disagreed that god ordered moses to kill and then you post the direct quote when god orders him to kill. It doesnt matter why god wants him to kill. He is ordering murder. Your literal translations of the bible are some of the most dangerous thoughts i have ever seen. I can tell that you dont understand at all what you are saying. But lose the ego. You really do think your thoughts are the best way to serve society?
Slavery hasnt changed one bit in the last 5000 years. Instead of jesus telling folks how to properly treat your slaves, he should have said "slavery is wrong and dont do it." Do you think it is ok to have slaves, as long as you treat them the way jesus intended? Or do you think jesus was wrong to endorse slavery? Wtf?
Do you believe that people can consult with the dead?
Do you believe in witches?
Do you believe in talking donkeys?
Do you believe that thousands of dead people rose from their graves?
Or any of the hundreds of things depicted in the stories that we know are physically impossible. They didnt realise back then that these things were not possible so they attributed natural occurances to divine power, and also just made up some stuff to boot.
You believe the bible is irrefutable fact and then you dont pay any attention to when the facts dont match what we know to be true.edit on 22-12-2013 by Woodcarver because: (no reason given)
I am looking at LDS pages right now to see what their ideas are. Interesting read for me.
"Many years earlier Bill was told (by the North American high master of druidism he studied under) that if he ever got into spiritual trouble he should join the Mormon church. The reason being is that church had been started by witches for witches to hide out while appearing nice, conservative Republicans. He was pleased to be personally told by the Mormon prophet, elder Faust, that the god of the Mormon temple was Lucifer. Mormon missionaries tend not to use the word ‘mor-mon’ since it means ‘gates of hell’ in china Source