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How do I know if it's Chemtrails or not? Pictures from my neighborhood today.

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posted on Dec, 20 2013 @ 10:16 PM
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Beautiful Contrails!

Down here, it isn't 20 Degrees below Zero outside, especially at ground level, (Ever!).

And I love the other picture from the other post! Brilliant!


Sharp pencils here. Miami, now it is 78 degrees or 26 Celsius. It will be low to mid 80's during the daytime this weekend. RSW, same thing.

Yeah, if it wasn't for the snow in the background, I could have sworn that was Miami. Great investigation of the facts.


Okay, I changed my mind, you were right, they are all Contrails. How stupid of me to even suggest such a silly thing?!




posted on Dec, 20 2013 @ 10:32 PM
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Aloysius the Gaul
Another picture of contrails at takeoff



This one is pure genious as well as the helicopter one!

The three of you made my day. Comic Genius!



posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 03:16 AM
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Yes, that's why you won't ever hardly see contrails at ground level. The common theme on all of those pictures is the snow in background which tells you it's very cold.

Even when it's 80 degrees in your neighbourhood, it will be way below freezing around 30,000ft and higher, where the trails are, because it always is. This is why I always try to make the point to people that, when talking about trails (in most of the world) it matters not a jot if there is an airport in the locality because the planes leaving contrails are unlikely to be going anywhere near it anyway. This is a common misconception among first time posters on this topic.

You are too harsh on yourself, the suggestion you made wasn't silly at all, silliness only comes from dismissing proven facts in order to cling to a fantasy theory.



posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 03:16 AM
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Dp, now that was silly
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posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 04:55 AM
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PRS395


The three of you made my day. Comic Genius!


What is funny about them?



posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 07:32 AM
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PRS395
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul
 


Beautiful Contrails!

Down here, it isn't 20 Degrees below Zero outside, especially at ground level, (Ever!).

And I love the other picture from the other post! Brilliant!


Sharp pencils here. Miami, now it is 78 degrees or 26 Celsius. It will be low to mid 80's during the daytime this weekend. RSW, same thing.

Yeah, if it wasn't for the snow in the background, I could have sworn that was Miami. Great investigation of the facts.


Okay, I changed my mind, you were right, they are all Contrails. How stupid of me to even suggest such a silly thing?!




At ground level it may be nice and toasty, but please tell me you don't think it's 80 degrees where the planes are flying. I think it's 3rd or 4th grade where they explain how cold the upper atmosphere is. At 30,000 feet it may be -40 degrees F. Right when it's 80 degrees on the ground. Perhaps after you are done laughing, you could try to learn something so you don't look this silly in the future. You really are cracking me up.



posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 10:41 AM
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PRS395
...Sharp pencils here. Miami, now it is 78 degrees or 26 Celsius. It will be low to mid 80's during the daytime this weekend. RSW, same thing.

Yeah, if it wasn't for the snow in the background, I could have sworn that was Miami. Great investigation of the facts...


Perhaps you should learn something about temperature. The temperature of the AIR in Miami near the surface may be 78°F (and Miami is warmer than, say, Toronto because the surface air is being heated more directly by the Sun in Miami -- i.e., the rays of the Sun are more direct in southern latitudes)...

HOWEVER, the reason the surface air is warmer in Miami is besides the point. The point is that the warm temperature in Miami is the temperature of THE AIR in Miami. Go up to 35,000 feet, and there is very little air/the air molecules are very sparse (for example, a person could not breathe at 35,000 feet). So with hardly any air at 35,000 feet, there is nothing up there for the rays of the Sun to heat up.

Therefore:
Little to No air at 35,000 feet = nothing to heat up = very cold temperatures (-40°F, or even colder),
no matter if you are talking about the temperature 35,000 feet above Miami in the summer, or the temperature 35,000 feet above Toronto in the winter.


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posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 11:45 AM
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Down here, it isn't 20 Degrees below Zero outside, especially at ground level, (Ever!).


And that is why you never will see them at takeoff in Florida, or most states because it doesn't get that cold.



posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 02:05 PM
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Thanks for educating me on atmospheric temperatures, I feel a little smarter now! Have you heard of NOAA? Not talking about the ark. And Having spent hrs in Windtunnels, It's pointless to reveal our cards. OMFG!

How many times has this topic came up over the last ten years just on this site ATS in one form or another? What more can I say about the proof that has been shown probably multi hundreds of times, like a record that skips at the end of an album!
I though it couldn't get better here but is has surpassed all but none of my expectations...

I will sum it up like this, then I will leave you and not threaten your cause so you can stay in your safe haven to continue on your journey, and you will get credit so you will qualify for your Christmas bonus.
Last thing I want to do is be called Scrooge! Tis the season!

I would try to find a more righteous cause, to deny that something is not there is ungodly.

I read a interview with a very articulate musician being interviewed and he eloquently said that
critics tend to not take things in consideration. People speak with enormous pomposity and arrogance about many subjects.

It's like if I copied "public" documents of the ADA, American Dental Association to prove to people the safety of Fluoride to humans and the benefits and how healthy are teeth and mouth is. Any probably most of you believe that fluoride is not harmful, right?! Jeeze?

It is dangerous to believe what is written even with all the seal of approvals and notarizes, it doesn't matter if it is the AMA,ADA, etc... until you actually Study the Science for yourself, Then, you can come to your own conclusions in a intellectual and intelligent manner.

Orwell wrote about the use of scientific language to distort political argument.
People say words that make them sound like they know what they are talking about. If they were ever called out, they couldn't explain what they are saying. The sky is blue, or the sky is not blue.

To categorize science is the opposite of making it.



posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 04:37 PM
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You have that the wrong way round. It is the chemtrail believers who are denying something is not there, not the sceptics.



posted on Dec, 21 2013 @ 04:52 PM
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Yea, I guess your right. It's probably real warm in the upper atmosphere. We're just stupid.


Thanks for setting us straight.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 08:40 AM
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FarmerGeneral
These are indeed chemtrails. They happen in my neck of the woods and turn into thin cob webby sort of clouds.

Sunny days turn into cloudy days.

One day the truth will be known, and on that day these nay sayers will either be dead or hiding from others and their conscience. Either because they know the truth and spread disinformation, or because when the people find out the truth they will be the first to meet with the public's anger, or the almighty himself will remove them for damage control.

(Begin Sarcasm)The government would NEVER do anything without the people knowing.(End Sarcasm)

(Begin Sarcasm)The government would NEVER harm the people!(End Sarcasm)

Remember the earth was flat until it was proven to be a sphere, mankind thought they were god and could control everything, that proof will soon be coming.





BRAVO,

Do you remember when the earth was flat do you?


When did mankind think they were Gods?

They are Gods and the proof is coming soon?

Please do elaborate, maybe create a new thread as to not derail this one.




posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 09:06 AM
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Make no mistake, spraying these chemicals is a crime against humanity. The perps, from top management to the lowest pilot, need to be held accountable. Just like the effin Nazis.


This is when ideology become fanaticism.


Held accountable how? With What?


Peoples suspicions, worse yet internet gurus that frequent Youtube for their knowledge?

You do know that many captured Nazis were put to death, is this what you think should happen to people you and others suspect of being part of a secret program to spray the skies?



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 09:46 AM
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These are the people who scare me. They are the ones that have taken the delusion to the next level and they may act on their fears. The kids who pretend to buy into this for the shock value are feeding the paranoid believers fantasies.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 10:09 AM
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network dude
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These are the people who scare me. They are the ones that have taken the delusion to the next level and they may act on their fears. The kids who pretend to buy into this for the shock value are feeding the paranoid believers fantasies.

My mate's 10 year old son also believes in them and tries to convince me they're real.This is because his dad believes they're real and has hammered his crazy beliefs into the boy's head,impressionable young boys (and girls) take as gospel what they're parents tell them.Even though I've had the chance to sit down and have what starts off as a peaceful chat with him to try to show him the scientific evidence that gives them as much credence as income tax returns and the tooth fairy,his mind is well and truly closed on the subject.
It scares me that the next generation will have been educated (a term I use VERY loosely) to believe in something that doesn't and can not ever exist.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 10:58 AM
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My mate's 10 year old son also believes in them and tries to convince me they're real.This is because his dad believes they're real and has hammered his crazy beliefs into the boy's head,impressionable young boys (and girls) take as gospel what they're parents tell them.Even though I've had the chance to sit down and have what starts off as a peaceful chat with him to try to show him the scientific evidence that gives them as much credence as income tax returns and the tooth fairy,his mind is well and truly closed on the subject.
It scares me that the next generation will have been educated (a term I use VERY loosely) to believe in something that doesn't and can not ever exist.


I applaude your efforts, but sometimes people just don't want to know that they are wrong and will stick to whatever beliefs they have to avoid that.

And what do you mean the tooth fairy isn't real?

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posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 11:03 AM
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Peoples suspicions, worse yet internet gurus that frequent Youtube for their knowledge?


I truly believe that youtube has dumbed down the population concerning this topic as well as others.

Youtube can be a good tool when used in the right way, but when it comes to chemtrails we all seem to suffer especially the believers.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 11:18 AM
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These are pictures of proven "chemtrails".

Picure 1, taken in 1928. This practice (until recently) has been called "crop dusting".

Source

Picure 2, taken in modern day (exact date unknown) shows the process of cloud seeding to make it rain.

Source

So far, these are the only types of truly proven trails (with actual evidence) of chemicals in the sky dispersed by aircraft. All other claims have so far been baseless and do not have one shred of verifiable evidence.



posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 11:23 AM
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Picure 2, taken in modern day (exact date unknown) shows the process of cloud seeding to make it rain.

No. It shows contrails and it has nothing to do with the "source" you linked.

This is cloud seeding to (try) to make it rain.



But you forgot about fire fighting dispersal and air show smoke.
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posted on Dec, 22 2013 @ 11:34 AM
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Fair enough Phage, and don't get me wrong. I am not promoting the "chemtrails" as the fringe seems to advocate, but that cloud seeding does leave a "chemtrail" and is a known practice with evidence. Whereas the wild speculation of modern "chemtrails" has NO evidence at all based upon the claims. If someone would simply spend the $$ to send a flight aloft, with atmospheric sensors and fly through one of these claimed chemtrails, then we would have real evidence to discuss. However, since IMO, chemtrails (as the fringe defines them) do not exist.

PS: There is also the use of fire retardant for fire fighting that is sprayed from aircraft and technically also leaves a chemtrail. But, that doesn't fit the fringe definition either, even though they are chemical trails, in the sky, sprayed from aircraft, and has ample evidence.

I still await the actual evidence of the "chemtrails" from the doom-porn fringe element here. And, "they are obviously chemtrails" is not evidence.

ETA: Oh, and Phage, FYI, I got the cloud seeding photo from the Save The Water site itself at this URL.
savethewater.org...

So, how is it not related to that site again??? Hmmm???

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