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A store owner can refuse to serve anyone he wants. It's their money, and it's their property. I'd like you to go into work tomorrow, walk up to your boss/manager, and say the most vile and hurtful things to him that you possibly can. And let me know how that works out for you. Would you complain that you had freedom of speech if he fired you?
No, that's how it has always happened. Social change doesn't come because one day everyone decides to be nice. It comes from mounting pressure within the society for reform.
reply to post by ElohimJD
It's rubbish to say that there was only one way he could have answered the question. there isnt there are many many way he could have answered the question truthfully and within his beliefs that wouldnt have cause any fuss.
the problem is that he put homosexulaity and beastilaity too close together which allowed it to be picked up and blown out of proportion.
he phrased it badly.
He quoted scripture.
God did the phrasing, Phil believed the Word. It was not Phil's law to define as he freely wishes.
“Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake (by believing the Word)."
Is this a direct quote from scripture?
"Start with homosexual behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men,”
it doesnt read like a quote from scripture?
I think it's amusing that A&E goes out and finds some backward ass hillbillies (albeit rich hillbillies) and then get upset when they act like backward ass hillbillies. What did you expect guys? Do you really think the guy eating squirrel brains is going to be the pinnacle of political correctness? I'm all for gay rights and whatnot but I'm also anti BS. I think it's regrettable that so many people share dude's sentiments, but I also respect free speech and allowing people to express their opinions (so long as they aren't advocating violence) without punishing them.
I don't think the people that would be pissed about the comments made were watching the show anyway. A&E should have made a statement condoning the language and left it alone. Or just left it alone. I highly doubt someone is going to boycott WalMart or whoever advertises during that slot because they are loosely affiliated with a bigot.
big·ot noun \ˈbi-gət\
: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)
A&E said, "We are extremely disappointed to have read Phil Robertson’s comments in GQ, which are based on his own personal beliefs and are not reflected in the series Duck Dynasty,"
So if his own personal beliefs are not reflected on the show and he has been on there since the beginning....why did they suspend him?
reply to post by XxNightAngelusxX
Okay, but how many people say that "Liberals" should get fired for saying things, and "Liberals" have no business talking about their "Liberal" agenda, it goes both ways
how do we not know the company told him to spark some controversy for ratings? how do you not know he "sold out: to get those ratings?
personally i don't care what he said, as i stated other peoples opinions of me are none of my business, but it can't be a one sided argument
reply to post by peck420
I don't disagree with that. I just disagree with this man being portrayed as some sort of victim. He knew what he was doing.
I also don't think it's in anyway a free speech issue.edit on 19-12-2013 by antonia because: added a thoughtedit on 19-12-2013 by antonia because: opps
reply to post by TheWrightWing
It's really amazing that people are making such a big deal over this. So what if what he said offends some people....then don't watch the show. Geez.
...and here's a comment I saw earlier that had me LMAO
The vagina services mankind, the anus service 'poop'.edit on 19-12-2013 by wills120 because: (no reason given)
This is how it happens in the modern media age. Your freedoms are taken away via social pressure. Of course someone who publicly states something should be willing to discuss it or be criticized for it. But what he said wasn't really that bad. He just reiterated some mild religious dogma. And he was fired for it.
No, that's how it has always happened. Social change doesn't come because one day everyone decides to be nice. It comes from mounting pressure within the society for reform. You can't do anything about that. You never had the freedom to be free from social pressure. If you want that you have to leave society or you have to learn to ignore it. While I agree most of this is fake, I would once again say that you have never had the right to say what you want without consequence. The argument you are making is much like if I said "The sky is blue, that sucks, it should be pink". You can't change it, every society has experienced this. It's a fundamental part of what makes human societies work.
People smarter than you and me have written volumes on the subject. I would recommend Foucault's "Society must be defended".edit on 19-12-2013 by antonia because: opps, wrong letter
It IS a free speech issue, because people are flipping their $#@% because he spoke freely. I don't know how this could be clearer AS a free speech issue.