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posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 12:25 PM
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Why do you, Zaphod, network dude, soylent and the many others show up on every Chemtrail thread???


So you think it is okay for people to be misled and scared of clouds?

I look at it as denying ignorance.




posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 12:33 PM
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I keep an open mind and I don't rule out the possibility that it could be true. I haven't experienced one like many others claim, that is why I don't believe. How many times can you beat a dead horse?


You can any debunker if they believe chemtrails could be a possibility, and you will get the same answer...Yes it is possible, but is it happening as we speak..No, as there is no evidence to prove they exist.

As for a dead horse...How many chemtrail threads are going to be posted without proof they exist and you will have your answer.



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 12:33 PM
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Zaphod58
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Because in my case, I love aviation, and if someone can learn something then I'm going to try to teach them. I've never denied that the possibility is out there, I've denied that it's currently happening.

Let me ask you this, how many private and military aircraft are out there that are based on commercial aircraft, that don't have airlines to put on the tail to distinguish them? (Answer: A lot)


I know your story as we've had this convo before. You can claim as many times as you want till your blue in the face about this or that, but I've seen two aircraft through binoculars one marked Delta no spray and another unmarked plane within 10 minutes. The unmarked one left a chemtrail/contrail that spread out on a clear blue sky day with 0 clouds to form a wispy cloud that eventually covered the entire viewing area. You can claim different altitudes or huge temperature changes all you want, but as I've said experiences make believers not peoples opinions because they read popular mechanics and have some aviation background.

There are many soldiers in the military that don't work on top secret bases or have knowledge of advanced technology or weaponry but that doesn't mean it's not happening.



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 12:37 PM
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tsurfer2000h
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Why do you, Zaphod, network dude, soylent and the many others show up on every Chemtrail thread???


So you think it is okay for people to be misled and scared of clouds?

I look at it as denying ignorance.


Thats comical to say that slogan on this site, but to answer your question, nobody on here even claimed for them to be harmful or scared. I don't believe they are harmful whatsoever and have made that clear in other posts, but could they be absolutely given our governments reputation to the sheeple of america. I have my own theory on why they are doing it, but it would absolutely useless to even attempt to bring it up on this site because of how taboo this subject is.

The fence is implanted so deep and high on this subject it would take an eternity to climb to the other side.



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 12:37 PM
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You can claim different altitudes or huge temperature changes all you want, but as I've said experiences make believers not peoples opinions because they read popular mechanics and have some aviation background.


And I guess scientific fact is just an opinion?



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 12:39 PM
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And how many business jets, or military jets are based on commercial aircraft? Business jets are only required to have a 12 inch registration number on the fueslage per the CFR. Even through binoculars you aren't going to see the registration from the ground, and it's going to appear to be unmarked. You also have to take into account different engines.

And until you can prove to me that you can tell the difference in altitude from the ground with the naked eye, you will never be able to prove that chemtrails are real.

Maybe you can answer why not one pro-chemtrail group, despite having the money to do it, has EVER sampled a trail to prove that it was a chemtrail and not a contrail.



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 12:40 PM
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Thats comical to say that slogan on this site, but to answer your question, nobody on here even claimed for them to be harmful or scared.


You do know that slogan is the motto for ATS and it is encouraged.

Have you read many chemtrail threads, because that is conveyed in all chemtrail threads.



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 12:42 PM
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tsurfer2000h
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As for a dead horse...How many chemtrail threads are going to be posted without proof they exist and you will have your answer.


Then there is no need for you to view one then is there??? If your opinion is that there is 0 evidence to prove them true then it would be insane to keep looking would it not.

It's all good either way, I just find it comical that the same people show up every time to make their claims of how it's not real.

One day I hope the truth is known to us whether it be in death or something else, if it happens in this lifetime i will gladly apologize to you and the others and say you were right. In my personal experiences and the fact that anytime I ask a question about a taboo subject I'm the one ridiculed and persecuted is evidence enough of all I need to know.


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posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 12:45 PM
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Funny how that horse gets beaten every chemtrail thread, but you (and others) never say anything about how the same people show up saying chemtrails are real. If you're a skeptic you're a shill (or worse), but the same people bringing up chemtrails is fine. Oh wait, they're getting the truth out so that's acceptable right?



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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In my personal experiences and the fact that anytime I ask a question about a taboo subject I'm the one ridiculed and persecuted is evidence enough of all I need to know.


Maybe you are asking the wrong questions, or you are not understanding the answer.



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 12:52 PM
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Zaphod58
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Funny how that horse gets beaten every chemtrail thread, but you (and others) never say anything about how the same people show up saying chemtrails are real. If you're a skeptic you're a shill (or worse), but the same people bringing up chemtrails is fine. Oh wait, they're getting the truth out so that's acceptable right?


I didn't say that at all. I stated that both sides would show up didn't I in my first post. I merely stated that you that I mentioned exclusively by name positions are firmly known. Why do you feel it your duty to keep getting on these threads if you know in your heart and gut and by the evidence you've seen to keep commenting? Just like America, out to police the world.

As always I get the pre-programed answers. I only get on these as entertainment to watch you guys clock in and go to work.

Cya in the next thread my friend.



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 01:04 PM
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And that's why I said "and others" in my response.

So what, we should only respond on certain threads, and ignore others? If I have knowledge of a certain topic I should just ignore things that I know aren't real, or that have another explanation for it? That's a heck of a way to work.

I guess that means that people that know science shouldn't be commenting on science threads. And people that know law enforcement should just let people carry their misconceptions on threads about the police. From now on all the people that know topics better than others should just be quiet and let people carry all their misconceptions forward instead of trying to educate them.



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 01:44 PM
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NONPOINT21
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Why do you, Zaphod, network dude, soylent and the many others show up on every Chemtrail thread??? Your opinion is not fact


No, but the facts we bring to the argument are in fact.....facts. The "fact" that those on the chemtrail side ignore them, misrepresent them, lie about them.

Have you ever seen a chemtrail thread and lots of people come into it blindly agreeing with anything a chemtrail pusher has to say. Folks on this site want to believe in anything that goes against "the man" so bad they will ignore common sense in favor of the fantastic. The group you question happen to have some knowledge that helps explain those pesky lines in the sky. I suppose we should just ignore the site's motto and just let people wallow in their doom porn, but I for one, just don't like seeing people be misled. Which is exactly what the chemtrial pushers are doing. Some of them out of ignorance, and some of them out of greed.

Or do you think we should just ignore the subject and let more and more people fall into the stupidity trap?



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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im so amazed by peope who dont competely KNOW that chemtrails are conspiracy FACT. here in nyc, they have been prevalent for YEARS. its INSANE how much is being sprayed... the way its sprayed in X's and GRIDS is what first made me realise something was wrong. A guy i knew who was pretty well off financially used to laugh at me about it, until i brought him outside to look... but he just said it was an anomoly and that it could be anything.. Yeah right... this stuff is so IN YOUR FACE, you could almost bet on the govt slowly revealing its spraying programs in the next few years.. whether population control, geo engineering, or just rouge pilots spraying( once again yeah right) there is something going on.. i could have sworn there was reports of these planes having no windows (before i heard of drones) and that there was barium in the fallout... idk...



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 02:01 PM
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im so amazed by peope who dont competely KNOW that chemtrails are conspiracy FACT. here in nyc, they have been prevalent for YEARS. its INSANE how much is being sprayed... the way its sprayed in X's and GRIDS is what first made me realise something was wrong. A guy i knew who was pretty well off financially used to laugh at me about it, until i brought him outside to look... but he just said it was an anomoly and that it could be anything.. Yeah right... this stuff is so IN YOUR FACE, you could almost bet on the govt slowly revealing its spraying programs in the next few years.. whether population control, geo engineering, or just rouge pilots spraying( once again yeah right) there is something going on.. i could have sworn there was reports of these planes having no windows (before i heard of drones) and that there was barium in the fallout... idk...



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 02:11 PM
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its INSANE how much is being sprayed... the way its sprayed in X's and GRIDS is what first made me realise something was wrong.


Check out the video I posted on page 1 that explains the reason you see the different patterns that are mistaken for chemtrails.

Here is another good place to learn why your seeing what you see.

contrailscience.com...



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 02:13 PM
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asyourworldburned
im so amazed by peope who dont competely KNOW that chemtrails are conspiracy FACT. here in nyc, they have been prevalent for YEARS. its INSANE how much is being sprayed... the way its sprayed in X's and GRIDS is what first made me realise something was wrong. ..


so NY - you would have flights going north/south up the coast, and flights going east/west across the Atlantic ??

How would they NOT make grids of contrails when conditions are right??



Here's an applet that shows how X's and grids get made - by all means tell me why it is incorrect!
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posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 02:37 PM
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I have to ask, do you know anything at all about contrails? have you even looked into it, or are you one of the very people I spoke about in my last reply?



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 03:23 PM
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Zaphod58
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And that's why I said "and others" in my response.

So what, we should only respond on certain threads, and ignore others? If I have knowledge of a certain topic I should just ignore things that I know aren't real, or that have another explanation for it? That's a heck of a way to work.

I guess that means that people that know science shouldn't be commenting on science threads. And people that know law enforcement should just let people carry their misconceptions on threads about the police. From now on all the people that know topics better than others should just be quiet and let people carry all their misconceptions forward instead of trying to educate them.


That claim is a little ridiculous given the site we are on. This isn't a science journal publication that has new theories with evidence to support that change the world.

I would assume be the comment "people that know science" you are meaning people with PHD's in the large area of science right? If so then no you shouldn't comment on each thread because your so called knowledge is limited to what you believe to be true. Do you hold a PHD in aviation??? then you are no expert anymore than the guy that lives next door to you. You go to great lengths to make sure you are thought of as this expert as you did with another thread and then when you were called out on it by another person you claimed oh you're right I am no expert but I have knowledge if aviation. Ok what knowledge, what gives you more credibility than the other guy?

By your statement then this is true for me and little Johnny....Hey I got an A in history class and I learned a lot plus my sister is a history teacher, I guess I'm qualified to speak about my opinions of history as fact. I also got an A in Science and Biology in college so maybe I'm a part of the "people that know science" like yourself.

There are very few truths that are provable in this world and in science. Math is pretty much the only one that can be said of time and time again. Like I said before, this is comical to me. There will be another thread and we can repeat the process, you feeling it is your duty to tell someone that your opinion of the subject is fact and then i will get on and call you out ask you questions and you can provide more of the same pre programmed answers to satisfy your belief system.



posted on Dec, 18 2013 @ 03:26 PM
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NONPOINT21
Ok what knowledge, what gives you more credibility than the other guy?

By your statement then this is true for me and little Johnny....Hey I got an A in history class and I learned a lot plus my sister is a history teacher, I guess I'm qualified to speak about my opinions of history as fact. I also got an A in Science and Biology in college so maybe I'm a part of the "people that know science" like yourself.


Almost 30 years on a ramp, and more studying everything I can get my hands on about aviation, plus flight experience. Does my neighbor have that? Do you have that from your History class?

I don't claim to be an expert, and won't ever claim to be one, but I know a lot more than "oh look! It's a plane!"



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