Canadians wary of 9/11 explanations - and of US officials

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An advertising campaign in Canada raises questions about the US government's official account of the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001. Are Canadians more sympathetic to anti-American conspiracy theories than Americans themselves?

The posters, displayed on buses in Ottawa, show an image of a World Trade Center building collapsing in the inferno of the terrorist attack that morning.

The advertising campaign is supported by a Lafayette, California-based organisation called Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

The office tower, 7 World Trade Center, may have been destroyed in a controlled demolition, members of the organisation purport, rather than in a fire.

Frank Greening, a nuclear scientist who lives in Hamilton, Ontario, knows the people behind the organisation - truthers, as they are known - well. He first met them years ago.

Like them, he initially thought there was something more to the story of 9/11 than the US government let on. To him it seemed unlikely that a small group such as al-Qaeda could have pulled off such a monumental act of horror.

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reply to post by CaptainBeno


Interesting read. As a Canadian and someone who has doubts about the official 9/11 narrative, I have one bone to pick and that is this statement:

"I think Canadians are more tolerant of conspiracy theories when it's anti-American,"

I don't agree with that sentiment at all. First of all, it presupposes that anyone who questions 9/11 is "anti-american" or that the conspiracy theorists are "anti-american". There are MANY patriotic Americans who love their country who have questions about 9/11. Questioning the OS in the U.S or anywhere else in the world is not some sort of barometer reading of how anti-american you are.

I can completely agree that Canadians are more inclined to believe conspiracy about America or other countries, then remain blind to their own and believe me, we have a few yet none touch the global world as much as 911 did and with such a conspiracy, no matter what country you are from, its hard to view their official story as truth and its glaringly obvious (atleast it is to me.)

reply to post by CaptainBeno

Are Canadians more sympathetic to anti-American conspiracy theories than Americans themselves?

Hmm, depends. Is it anti-American to want the full story from your government? Redactions don't make friends.

reply to post by boncho


Hmmm, not really sure. My train of thought is that Americans on a whole are incredibly patriotic and would not entertain the idea of there government lying to them.

On the other hand (or country) a lie become glaringly obvious when viewed from a different angle....country.

I.e. you yourself are not sold the BS every day. I.e. Media

Who ever managed to demonise 'Truth' and 'truthers' to be a dirty word is a genius.
How did this become possible.

''oh he's a truther.. He wants to know the truth''

Propaganda at its very very finest.

The number one tool in all of this and I think 'truther' is a major weapon.


“But if thought corrupts language, language can also corrupt thought.”
― George Orwell, 1984

I'm not Canadian and I feel the same way. I know that the government security agencies could have stopped 9/11 from happening, they were just trying to find a bigger more prestigious bust.

The pro conspiracy percentages are actually pretty high on both sides of the border, and if the Saudis were involved, as another thread here is making, that puts conspiracy back into the homegrown US, regardless of what the conspiracy entailed, but some kind of conspiracy for sure.

DeadSeraph
reply to post by CaptainBeno

 

Interesting read. As a Canadian and someone who has doubts about the official 9/11 narrative, I have one bone to pick and that is this statement:

"I think Canadians are more tolerant of conspiracy theories when it's anti-American,"

I don't agree with that sentiment at all. First of all, it presupposes that anyone who questions 9/11 is "anti-american" or that the conspiracy theorists are "anti-american". There are MANY patriotic Americans who love their country who have questions about 9/11. Questioning the OS in the U.S or anywhere else in the world is not some sort of barometer reading of how anti-american you are.

edit on 17-12-2013 by DeadSeraph because: (no reason given)

No one in their right mind agrees with anything they write.

It is beyond pointless trying to get people to see the light that don't want to.

As long as we know what is the truth and live in reality, I am beyond trying to prove any points.
They can live and lie and spin us off as the enemy just like Hitler did.

They know who is telling the truth and we know who is telling the truth. That's all I need.

reply to post by CaptainBeno

Number of Days between 9/11 and invasion of Afghanistan:

Answer: 26 days (7th October 2001)



Number of days between 9/11 and signing of Patriot Act:

Answer: 45 days (26th October 2001)



Number of days between 9/11 and next American Revolution

Answer: 4,381 days AND COUNTING

Written by a good mate of mine here on Sept 9th 2013.

Remember, it was Halliburton who were escorted into Afghanistan first......by the US military. We all saw it on the propaganda box.

This clears up any personal misconceptions about 9/11 and why it occurred, and who was involved.

reply to post by CaptainBeno


It has been said that Americans are naive but Canadians are hyper-delusional. This, sadly to say is the truth and disappointing as well, since Canadians are among the most educated people on the planet.
For 9/11 to have happened the way it, did according to the official version; the laws of physics would have to be suspended for 3 hours. How can anyone who has a high school education believe the official version of two steel framed towers collapsing into their own footprints from aircraft hits at free-fall speed without the assistance of supplementary explosive devices. This does not speak to Building 7, unknown apparently even to Rumsfeld, that was not hit by an aircraft, and, collapsed into it's own footprint at 5 pm the same day; again at free-fall speed into it's own footprint . Clearly the educational system was superior when I attended high school and University as, unlike politicians and media, the laws of physics do not waver.
If three buildings in the same complex can collapse into their footprints on the same day, why not change the appropriate standards for the demolition of tall buildings. If you believe the official version, then demolition experts are not required to plan the removal of old structures. Demolition regulations are clearly antiquated and millions of dollars could be saved by cutting demolition experts out of the equation for planned destruction of old buildings.
Unfortunately, the public can no longer think critically. The elites, who really are brilliant and organized coined the term "Conspiracy Theorist" to discredit critical thinkers. If you challenge the government's version of events, you are at the "lunatic fringe" of reality; some kind of kook that needs to undergo a psychological evaluation.
People know, or at least suspect, that their respective governments lie to them as well as MSM. Governments, after all, are populated by Politicians who are for the most part, accomplished liars. It goes with the territory. Remember the women in the crowds fainting at the sight of Obama during 2007 campaign speeches, thinking of him as a modern day messiah. Politicans since 2007 have told you about "green shoots", job growth and economic recovery. Tell that to all the people from Ontario scratching the scorched earth in Ft. McMurray looking for jobs. MSM is owned by the elites. To gain access to gov't info and access to press conferences they must print or promote the party line. These, lie as much by what they don't report as by what they do report. Look at the disaster Chernobyl was, and all the press about elevated strontium levels across Europe. It was in the news for months. Now you have a disaster unfolding at Fukishima that is many magnitudes of order worse, not only to Japan but to N. America and nobody is talking. Could it be that the reactors were manufactured by General Electric and it is best to keep the reporters on a tight leash.
The reality is, people, at some instinctive level know that politicians lie and they distrust the media, but ,when it comes to 9/11 the definitive authorities (truthsayers) are the government politicians and the press. These are the sources that the public continues to rely on for honest reporting. However, thousands of engineers, architects, and scientists who dispute the official story based on scientific fact are considered by the public as "howling at the moon" mad. Just how obvious does it have to get. For Canadians, when CBC tells them it was an inside job, they will begin to believe it truly was. Don't expect such a revelation anytime soon.

reply to post by cayrichard


Fantastic reply. Thank you.

Sorry, at work at the moment. can't reply fully.

But good response.

I think that most who have a interest in 9/11 would tell you that this move has been known for quite some time.

I have one massive issue with this whole thing.

its being organized by A&E for 9/11 truth, a bunch of self proclaimed "experts" who cant even get the simplest of details regarding WTC-7 correct and knowingly spread lies for their own financial gain. They make claims like WTC-7 fell at free falls speeds, it fell into its own footprint and make claims about super-thermite and so on, yet they cannot actually prove any of this.

They are a skid mark on the 9/11 truth movement.

Richard Gage and others like him have turned the 9/11 truth movement into their own personal pursuit to acquire widespread recognition and to fill their wallets.

Really think about people, all of these adverts are not only a advertisement to propose questions about 9/11 and specifically about WTC-7 but they are also huge adverts for the cash cow that is A&E for 9/11 truth. Take a look at their website, they charge up to $100,000 for membership and they sell lots of 9/11 truth propaganda on their website. So while yes its a big advert for 9/11 truth but its also a rather shroud move by Gage and co to fund their own personal bank, they have funded these advertisements through donations, which they have then used to advertise their own website which charges people huge amounts to get hold of their DVD's and membership. essentially this is a bit like Amazon taking donations from people and then using them to fund their TV ad's.

Its kind of crazy that people fell from this scam.

There are some very legitimate questions that do need to be asked regarding the demise of WTC-7 but organizations like A&E for 9/11 truth are not asking them. All they are doing is providing and profiting form sensationalist claims targeted at people who find the 9/11 truth more of a source of entertainment rather than actually providing a truly critical appraisal of what happened to WTC-7.

reply to post by cayrichard

To gain access to gov't info and access to press conferences they must print or promote the party line.

This is part of your argument that just falls flat. Any American can access the more than 350,000 files pertaining to 9/11 in the National Archives, provided they can pass an FBI background check and understand how to conduct themselves in a strict professional government environment.

Your politics is irrelevant. FOX news hardly follows the party line and they have just as much access as CNN to the President and his press conferences.

So much of what you posted is the same old tired rhetoric that means nothing to anyone who is a real researcher into the events of 9/11.

You speak another tired line that those who oppose the OS are branded anti-American and shunned by the main stream media as lunatics.

No that is incorrect. However, persons who accuse the President(the Commander in Chief) of being a murderer, conspirator, liar and leader of a massive coverup, with no evidence what so ever are branded as lunatics and anti-American and they always will be.

It's not my fault, nor is it the fault of our Commander in Chief that socialistic polices hamstring small business and the manufacturing sector that causes high unemployment in Canada. Business taxes in Canada are absurd and it's no wonder people can't find a job.

It's easier to be a little more objective as a non-American looking in from the outside, but it's certainly not anti-American to point out the Big Lie of 9/11 to our American friends and neighbors to the south. Just look at what's ensued in the wake of 9/11 in the name of "security" and "justice". The whole thing is utter madness and 9/11 Truth is the remedy to reign it all in by turning the psy-op against itself.

It's understandable that on the whole, by about 60%, average American Joe is unaware that there's a problem with the official story, but it's really quite reprehensible for those with full access to all the data and information to knowingly try to protect and guard the lie at the heart of it, and sell and promote the lie as historically accurate and authentic, which is hardly a patriotic or courageous act when you really think about it.

reply to post by DeadSeraph


Agree, questioning the government is not an anti-patriotic activity, just the contrary, anywhere. It demonstrates lack of apathy and at best is a reflection of the level of transparency and information provided for citizens. The truth is that there can't be any conspiracies in a fully open world and thinking the reverse as valid (that there aren't any in a closed system) is just being naive and simple minded.

Government is not the state, it just executes the administration of state commons.

spooky24
reply to post by NewAgeMan

 

It's understandable that on the whole, by about 60%, average American Joe is unaware that there's a problem with the official story, but it's really quite reprehensible for those with full access to all the data and information to knowingly try to protect and guard the lie at the heart of it, and sell and promote the lie as historically accurate and authentic, which is hardly a patriotic or courageous act when you really think about it.

Some statistic-99.9% of Americans don't even know 9/11 truthers even exist! That statement is in whole, the entire reason truthers are looked at like a discarded paint can.

Not one shred of evidence yet condemn the entire American government, and every single citizen, in some pseudo fiction that the average 9 year old would laugh at.

I know life has passed you by, I know the ship came in-picked up everyone but you-everyone got a pot of gold-but you got a rock. I know how pathetic a life can be in which the only relevance is hiding behind a screen name and calling fine Americans, who love and support their country, murders and conspirators. Just think-it could be worse. Someday-somewhere-someone might confront you about your 'truth' to your face. Then what. Perhaps you can dive inside your monitor like Blondie got James Woods to do in Videodrome-you could hide in there forever! And the world would be a much better place!

Wow!! Just.....Wow, dude!! You're laying on the vitriol and hate a little thick don't you think? And you wonder why "debunkers" have such a bad reputation.

reply to post by spooky24


Dude!

that was a little harsh was it not.

you see i agree with you, so far the truth movement has failed to provide any evidence that actually proves any kind of deeper conspiracy behind 9/11 involving the government carrying out the attacks.

but really you need to be more respectful if you want to get your point across.

insulting people like this is going to mean they will focus on your personal attacks against them and not the very valid points that you raise. I have read loads of your posts and think that if there is one member on this site who knows 9/11 better than any of us it is you.

However that does not mean you can talk down to your fellow members with such distaste and arrogance.

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