Actually, we know that fables and superstitions exist as artifacts of Psychology.
Perhaps in some ambiguous somewhere in the vast reaches of our galaxy or Universe, but, stopping in for slurpees slushee drinks and some cattle mutilations on the way to Wolf359?
Psychology has no effect on biology.
Why, prey tell, would ET want to go to a Red Dwarf? NOT a very interesting star.
Like I said, the jury is still out on the map. There are interesting recent discoveries which I talked about in another thread but nothing definitive yet.
Rushing to judgement on it in the 1970s is why a lot of serious people in astronomy back away from it as they do the whole UFO subject.
There is a difference between y'all and me; You want something "definitive". definite...as in "proven", a "sure thing"...the "Ideal Switch". Doesn't exist, all we have are approximations, probabilities. And, all we can do is select for the best probability.
And, in that "Rush to judgment" what was the error rate?
There simply is NOT ENOUGH data on which to say anything one way or the other about intelligent space-faring civilizations around the nearby stars yet.
Can we be patient?
Substantial evidence exists linking members of this country's intelligence community (including the Central Intelligence Agency, the Defense Advanvced Research Projects Agency, and the Office of Naval Intelligence) with the esoteric technology of mind control. For decades, "spy-chiatrists" working behind the scenes - on college campuses, in CIA-sponsored institutes, and (most heinously) in prisons - have experimented with the erasure of memory, hypnotic resistance to torture, truth serums, post-hypnotic suggestion, rapid induction of hypnosis, electronic stimulation of the brain, non-ionizing radiation, microwave induction of intracerebral "voices," and a host of even more disturbing technologies. Some of the projects exploring these areas were ARTICHOKE, BLUEBIRD, PANDORA, MKDELTA, MKSEARCH and the infamous MKULTRA.
As a result of this research, I have come to the following conclusions:
Although misleading (and occasionally perjured) testimony before Congress indicated that the CIA's "brainwashing" efforts met with little success, striking advances were, in fact, made in this field. As CIA veteran Miles Copeland once admitted to a reporter, "The congressional subcommittee which went into this sort of thing got only the barest glimpse."
Clandestine research into thought manipulation has NOT stopped, despite CIA protestations that it no longer sponsors such studies. Victor Marchetti, 14-year veteran of the CIA and author of the renown expose, THE CIA AND THE CULT OF INTELLIGENCE, confirmed in a 1977 interview that the mind control research continues, and that CIA claims to the contrary are a "cover story." The Central Intelligence Agency was not the only government agency involved in this research. Indeed, many branches of our government took part in these studies - including NASA, the Atomic Energy Commission, as well as all branches of the Defense Department.
To these conclusions I would append the following - not as firmly established historical fact, but as a working hypothesis and grounds for investigation:
The "UFO abduction" phenomenon might be a continuation of clandestine mind control operations.
Interesting thread. S&F.
I suppose secrets - by their very nature - are only known about when either uncovered or accidently revealed. On that basis, I suppose we don't have any idea how good governments truly are at keeping secrets.
That said, I think the only way a government or goverments could keep a secret this big is if only a very small group of people knew about it. I guess it's entirely plausible that a small, elite group could keep ET secret - but then that raises the question of what value that knowledge would actually have if you were unable to do very much with it to maintain it's secrecy?
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But irony is most people who would say that would be horrified and scared out of their trees if they saw a grey, perhaps less so with the human types, but they work together often, in our case. I have a feeling it was reaction they were looking for.edit on 23-12-2013 by Unity_99 because: (no reason given)
Perhaps the most interesting pieces of evidence surrounding the abduction phenomenon are the intracerebral implants allegedly visible in the X-rays and MRI scans of many abductees.23 Indeed, abductees often describe operations in which needles are inserted into the brain; more frequently still, they report implantation of foreign objects through the sinus cavities. Many abduction specialists assume that these intracranial incursions must be the handiwork of scientists from the stars. Unfortunately, these researchers have failed to familiarize themselves with certain little-heralded advances in terrestrial technology.
The abductees' implants strongly suggest a technological lineage which can be traced to a device known as a "stimoceiver," invented in the late '50s-early '60s by a neuroscientist named Jose Delgado. The stimoceiver is a miniature depth electrode which can receive and transmit electronic signals over FM radio waves. By stimulating a correctly-positioned stimoceiver, an outside operator can wield a surprising degree of control over the subject's responses.
In other words, an abductee may talk of aliens - when the reality was something else entirely.
In correspondence with me, a noted abduction researcher wrote of an instance in which an abductee recounted seeing a helicopter during his experience; as the abductee testimony progressed, the helicopter turned into a UFO. During one of the (quite few) regression sessions I attended, I heard an exactly similar narrative. Hopkins would argue that the helicopter was a "screen memory" hiding the awful reality of the UFO encounter. But does Occam's razor really cut that way? Shouldn't we also consider the possibility that the object in question really WAS a helicopter - which the abductee was instructed to recall as a UFO?
Bases of Suspicion "Underground base" rumors are as hot as jalapenos in the UFO field right now, and several of these stories involve abductions.
For example, a sideshow of the famous Bentwaters UFO case involves the abduction of an airman named Larry Warren to an underground cavity beneath the military base. There, while in what he later described as "a bit of a drugged state," he saw aliens and human beings - military figures - working side-by-side.134