reply to post by Octoneo
Isn't this why the Shia and Sunni fight each other - to the death. For me its why Islam is such a dangerous concept and explains the thinking behind
I hope that my government will ensure that no man who has gone from this country to fight abroad for Islamic beliefs is allowed back here, no matter
what family he has left behind, simply because it is not morally or legally right for a man to slaughter, rape, main and destroy the infrastructure
and homes in another country because he doesn't like their beliefs and genuinely believes they deserve every bit of visciousness he can force upon
them because they don't share his religion.
I believe it was a Rabbi, a while ago, that said it would be a good idea to rewrite religion for today's world - I remember him stirring all sorts of
hissy fits, but I believe he was absolutely correct - for those who need a specific religion or way of life to follow.
Most Sunni and Shia do not hate one another. Only a small minority do and they fight due to being uneducated about Islam or simply being hypocrites.
Islam forbids such things.
Islam forbids going to war for such reasons. There are two types of jihad, offensive and defensive. Defensive is, for example, something like is what
is going on in Syria right now where Muslims are forced to fight an oppressive regime. Offensive Jihad can only be undergone by an Islamic state, of
which none exist today. And in war rape is forbidden as is everything else you mentioned.
If you believe a system of life comes from a perfect Creator, changing that is the same as saying that you think you know better than someone you say
is omnipotent. It's completely illogical. If you believe religion needs to be rewritten you shouldn't be following it at all.
Whilst I respect your opinion and at no point do I think it has been born out of a racist notion (I just wanted to throw that in there as I am
anticipating somebody bringing that up against you) I think you are confused.
I feel you have confused culture and religion.
Until recent history Islam has been no worse at co-exisiting than any other religion. Some would argue that the recent closure of Islam is due to
factors that have sod all to do with religion or even culture but outside influences.
Islam has a long history with capitalism, and a small amount of research shows this, they have been merchants and traders for thousands of years, and
there are modern capitalist Muslim countries too.
Many Muslim countries have democracy too, take Somaliland, an amazing, peaceful, open and democratic capitalist country that is also majority Muslim
that I visited last year.
You may not hear about peaceful co existence and/or Muslim communities that tie in with your view of how a good western democratic society acts but
those stories just don't sell.
There are many countries that don't fit in to those constraints that don't have a democracy, that don't have any kind of strong modern capitalist
system that AREN'T Muslim, and this is proof that it is down to culture.
In many cases I would also argue that it is down to how 'developed' the country is.
I would like to point out that I live in a city where Muslims and non Muslims both take part in the community, both eat and socialise in the same
places, do business together and get along very well. We are all Brummy bretheren whilst each keeping our own traditions and ability to worship how
we do or don't want.
We are not the only place where this happens, it has happened in the past too.
And all this from a person (me) that would like to see a world without religion!
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It seems you have not been properly educated about Islam. The fact that you cite modern 'Muslim' countries tells me you do not have a proper
understanding of Islam. There is currently no Islamic or Muslim country in the world. None. To qualify as such a government would need to establish
the Caliphate and rule according to Islamic law. The last Caliphate (The Ottomans) was abolished close to a century ago and current Muslim majority
countries are run by dogs who implement part of Islam at best and only when it suits them.
While it's true Islam allows an even encourages trading, never has an Islamic state adopted capitalism as it's economic system. Capitalism is, in
the end, greed. the Islamic economic system may share a few similarities, but ultimately it is not the same. For example, in Islam the use of fiat
currency is forbidden. Currency needs to be backed by gold. Interest is forbidden, which can even include something like intentionally cheating a
Democracy as a system is not compatible with Islam. Democracy gives the people or ruling officials the power to change laws. In an Islamic system laws
are from God or based on what God has forbidden and allowed. Therefore man does not have the power to change a law that God has sent down. There is
mutual consultation is Islam (Shura) but it is not the basis of the system, like in democracy.
Also, I would like to mention that it is only Islam that guarantees religious freedom to the people living in it. No other system does. In an Islamic
state non-Muslims may judge according to the laws of their own religion/system or they can choose to be judged according to Islamic law. If you read
through history, you'll see that Islam had guaranteed a level of freedom of religion no other system every has including democracy. That is why, for
example, when the Crusaders tried to take the holy lands the Christians living there actually helped the Muslims.