Gun Control: Now this is interesting!!!

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posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 07:32 PM
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The United States ranks 3rd in Murders throughout the World.

But if you take out Chicago , Detroit , Washington DC and New Orleans, the United States is 4th from the Bottom for Murders.

These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States.

All 4 are also controlled by Democrats.






posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 07:37 PM
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reply to post by RocksFromSpace
 


You have any numbers to show or is this just an assertion you are putting out there?



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 07:39 PM
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reply to post by antonia
 


Showing the numbers would be "racist"
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posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 07:42 PM
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Oh well, If there is no proof of the claim then I can't really believe it.

There are also some other logical problems with it the claim.

Such a claim assumes the fact the city has a democratic mayor has something to do with the violence. It assumes only the mayor controls the city. Secondly, it assumes things would somehow be different if there was a Republican mayor. This doesn't work as many other factors go into inner-city violence beyond gun control and the party affiliation of the mayor.

Furthermore, internationally there are several cities with tighter gun controls that have less violence.
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posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 07:46 PM
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I I I want to believe



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 07:53 PM
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mykingdomforthetruth
I I I want to believe


Well, you just summed up the mindset of 90% of humanity. It's not about what you can prove, it's about what you want to be true.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 07:53 PM
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What? Did you forget about New York City?

I swear, everytime I turn on the local news there's a shooting somewhere in the 5 boroughs.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 07:57 PM
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posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 08:08 PM
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This isn't proof of anything. In fact, it's a dumb argument. The political affiliation of a person committing a crime is of no consequence unless that crime is politically motivated. Otherwise, I can explain the "abundance" of liberal shooters quite easily. Most of the people you featured were young. The current demographic trend in the U.S. shows most people under the age of 35 are inclined to be "liberal". Thus you would see more liberals in a group of unstable young men simply because you see more liberals among younger men period.

But, what do you even hope to gain with your argument? let's say you are right and it's all evil liberals. Then what do you do? Ban liberalism? Put them all in jail?



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 08:09 PM
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I find it very hard to believe.

If we took a look at states separately, there are only 3 states where there are less than 1.5 murders per 100k. (Iowa -1.5; Vermont 1.3 and New Hampshire 1.1) These represent 5 millions American only. The other 300 million Americans live in states with significantly higher murder per capita, so even if we left out the areas you mentioned, the average murder rate per 100k would still be around 2.5-3 per 100k

On comparison, in Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Italy,Spain, Austria,Switzerland, Japan (from the larger nations, in total 30-40 nations) have all lower murder rates per capita compared to New Hampshire, which has the lowest murders all around US:

Considering the state with the lowest murder rates in US, is not able to be in the TOP40 world´s lowest murder rates, there is no possible solution how all states combined would lead to top 4 lowest murder rates around the world...

There are only 8 states whose murder rates per 100k are under 2.0, while there are only a handful of European countries having higher rates than 2.0 (mostly Eastern Europe/Post Soviet countries - Romania, Bulgaria etc,), in total over 50 nations in the world having murder rates lower than 2. Majority of advanced nations are around 0.5-1.1 per 100k.

www.deathpenaltyinfo.org...
en.wikipedia.org...



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posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 08:10 PM
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reply to post by 727Sky
 


Pictures of mass killers surrounding the distorted pictures of four prominent democrats. Oh yeah, I sure this is going to be an unbiased video. Now I will go and watch it.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 08:13 PM
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OK, now I've watched it and I must say it is stupid stupid stupid stupid. And I have been registered Republican for over 30 years. Oh, did I mention the video was inane.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 08:13 PM
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That was my thought as well. Camden has always been nasty as well. The numbers just don't add up.

Oh I was wrong, It's actually Flint according the the FBI.
edit on 16-12-2013 by antonia because: wrong info



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 08:17 PM
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RocksFromSpace
The United States ranks 3rd in Murders throughout the World.

But if you take out Chicago , Detroit , Washington DC and New Orleans, the United States is 4th from the Bottom for Murders.

These 4 Cities also have the toughest Gun Control Laws in the United States.

All 4 are also controlled by Democrats.




US has 14,612 homicides a year. 4.7 per 100,000.

(2012)Chicago - 516 - 2.7 million people
(2010)Detroit - 337 - 700k
(2010)Wa. DC - 131 - 600k
(2011)New O. - 200 - 370k

Minus these cities we have 13,428 homicides, and 308 million people. This drops our homicide rate to 4.36.

This means OP is 100% wrong. Although they are right about the homicide rate of these cities being extremely high. Some of them are 10+ times the national average.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 08:22 PM
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Indeed, after looking further I found wiki's list which shows the U.N's data.
en.wikipedia.org...

The U.S. wouldn't even break into the top 50 let alone the top 10.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 08:59 PM
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antonia

mykingdomforthetruth
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Well, you just summed up the mindset of 90% of humanity. It's not about what you can prove, it's about what you want to be true.


Truest thing I've read on ATS all month.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 09:17 PM
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I found this map of murder rates, which puts the US pretty low on the scale.

chartsbin.com...

But the OP said murders, not murder rates.

The average country has a population of 34,000,000. About 1/10th of the population of the US.

geography.about.com...

The low percentage of murders in the US multiplied by the larger population of the US could put us in the top 3 for total murders per year.

US 5.22/100,000 X 310,000,000 = 16182 murders in the US per year

Honduras, although it has more than ten times our murder rate, has less than 1/3 as many deaths by murder

61 / 100,000 X 8,290.000 = 5063 murders per year.

From Occam's Razor's post above


(2012)Chicago - 516 - 2.7 million people
(2010)Detroit - 337 - 700k
(2010)Wa. DC - 131 - 600k
(2011)New O. - 200 - 370k


1184 (Orwellian number, the house always wins) fewer murders could move our relative position on a scale of total murders per year.

I too would like to see the OP's statistics or data.



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posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 09:25 PM
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Generally in sociological studies one looks at the murder rate rather than the absolute murder number. This accounts for the proportion problem.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 09:34 PM
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reply to post by antonia
 


The OP may have felt, like Joseph Stalin " One death is a tragedy, 1,000,000 deaths is a statistic".

I think RocksFromSpace was pointing out that the media is inconsistent or reckless in its allocation of emotion.

Like death on the highway compared to death by terrorist attack. You would think the maximum speed limit would be Five M.P.H. by now.
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posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 09:42 PM
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Except his numbers are just flat out wrong. You can't use your own fibs and appeals to emotion to complain about someone else's sins.





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