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posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 02:10 PM
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pavmas

AutumnWitch657
Unemployment is not welfare but thanks for insulting a few hundred thousand who used to have an income they paid taxes on to support the unemployment program and are now unfortunatly are out of a job due to a crappy economy. Way to go on tbat pride building statement.


Sorry if I insulted anyone, I live in the UK and has Industrial disablement benefit , but Im lumped in with anyone else who is on benefit and we are all called layabouts.

In fact I don't want to be treated different as we are all poor and their needs are no less than mines.

Its only fair as I lump MPs, Royalty, Bankers as Btards.


You are fantastic aren't you. So anyone - anyone - not working is to you not a layabout and should get everything they can because (weirdly) they are entitled to it - is that what you are saying?

MPs, and this is a little bit shocking to you obviously, do actually work, the Royalty actually give back the amount they are awarded every year and bankers..... well how do you defend a banker at the moment? Such a glib thing to say when you are actually referring to the massively small minority and also for 95% of the cases work for private companies, why come up with cliches?


Well lets start with MPs, when elected for the first time and an Mp attends the house of Commons for the first time they instantly qualify for 1/2 million pound pension whether they come back or not they could pack in day 2 and still they have qualified for 1/2million £ pension ( they work hard)
we have 635 MPs most days there are no more than 25 Mps in a chamber and I have seen vital thing discussed when only 3 MP attended.

The Royals. prince charles and his wife stayed in a hotel recently it cost £5000 per night, but it was the 200 security men that watched over them that cost the money. private calvary security people to do their every whim, they dont bring in enough for that, Ireland have no royal family and get the same tourists, if you check figures the UK is well down on tourism compared to the rest of Europe, its a myth that they bring in cash.

Queen 22% pay rise Mps 11% pay rise every one else 1% if they are lucky.
regarding people working or not, its nothing to do with me if they want to work for slave wages then thats up to them.




posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 02:16 PM
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I wish I knew.... My son is SSI for his disabilities. I'll find out through his support with everyone else, I'd imagine.

Scary times, isn't it?

We're both intelligent adults..discussing a system years in process and technically in effect within just a few weeks here. Yet, neither of us, with 100% certainty, can state some of the basic core working policies of what we're legally required to follow. There is something huge wrong here.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 02:16 PM
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kozmo
Um, nope! They are FINALLY curtailing unemployment compensation, NOT welfare. In fact, a good number losing unemployment will go to welfare next. Please take a moment to thank this President's STELLAR job-killing initiatives!


that's how the unemployment numbers go down, by eliminating people from being counted. no unemployment to them, means not in the workforce = unemployment figures go down. just one of many puzzle pieces really.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 02:17 PM
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Mps are crooks mate, they sell themselves to ask quetions , they all make fortunes by the time their term is up.

Name one poor ex MP Just 1



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 02:35 PM
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I'm a little lost.

So did they cut unemployment benefits off completely? Or the 6 months Federal aid is still there?

99 weeks is pure insanity....



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 02:36 PM
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pavmas

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pavmas

AutumnWitch657
Unemployment is not welfare but thanks for insulting a few hundred thousand who used to have an income they paid taxes on to support the unemployment program and are now unfortunatly are out of a job due to a crappy economy. Way to go on tbat pride building statement.


Sorry if I insulted anyone, I live in the UK and has Industrial disablement benefit , but Im lumped in with anyone else who is on benefit and we are all called layabouts.

In fact I don't want to be treated different as we are all poor and their needs are no less than mines.

Its only fair as I lump MPs, Royalty, Bankers as Btards.


You are fantastic aren't you. So anyone - anyone - not working is to you not a layabout and should get everything they can because (weirdly) they are entitled to it - is that what you are saying?

MPs, and this is a little bit shocking to you obviously, do actually work, the Royalty actually give back the amount they are awarded every year and bankers..... well how do you defend a banker at the moment? Such a glib thing to say when you are actually referring to the massively small minority and also for 95% of the cases work for private companies, why come up with cliches?


Well lets start with MPs, when elected for the first time and an Mp attends the house of Commons for the first time they instantly qualify for 1/2 million pound pension whether they come back or not they could pack in day 2 and still they have qualified for 1/2million £ pension ( they work hard)
we have 635 MPs most days there are no more than 25 Mps in a chamber and I have seen vital thing discussed when only 3 MP attended.

The Royals. prince charles and his wife stayed in a hotel recently it cost £5000 per night, but it was the 200 security men that watched over them that cost the money. private calvary security people to do their every whim, they dont bring in enough for that, Ireland have no royal family and get the same tourists, if you check figures the UK is well down on tourism compared to the rest of Europe, its a myth that they bring in cash.

Queen 22% pay rise Mps 11% pay rise every one else 1% if they are lucky.
regarding people working or not, its nothing to do with me if they want to work for slave wages then thats up to them.


Actually, I'm not sure any of your facts stand up to scrutiny, let's start with MP pension. It's currently a 40th of the salary for each year they have drawn a salary as an MP. Do you have any facts or is this just a rant?



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 02:43 PM
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pavmas

uncommitted

pavmas

AutumnWitch657
Unemployment is not welfare but thanks for insulting a few hundred thousand who used to have an income they paid taxes on to support the unemployment program and are now unfortunatly are out of a job due to a crappy economy. Way to go on tbat pride building statement.


Sorry if I insulted anyone, I live in the UK and has Industrial disablement benefit , but Im lumped in with anyone else who is on benefit and we are all called layabouts.

In fact I don't want to be treated different as we are all poor and their needs are no less than mines.

Its only fair as I lump MPs, Royalty, Bankers as Btards.


You are fantastic aren't you. So anyone - anyone - not working is to you not a layabout and should get everything they can because (weirdly) they are entitled to it - is that what you are saying?

MPs, and this is a little bit shocking to you obviously, do actually work, the Royalty actually give back the amount they are awarded every year and bankers..... well how do you defend a banker at the moment? Such a glib thing to say when you are actually referring to the massively small minority and also for 95% of the cases work for private companies, why come up with cliches?


Well lets start with MPs, when elected for the first time and an Mp attends the house of Commons for the first time they instantly qualify for 1/2 million pound pension whether they come back or not they could pack in day 2 and still they have qualified for 1/2million £ pension ( they work hard)
we have 635 MPs most days there are no more than 25 Mps in a chamber and I have seen vital thing discussed when only 3 MP attended.

The Royals. prince charles and his wife stayed in a hotel recently it cost £5000 per night, but it was the 200 security men that watched over them that cost the money. private calvary security people to do their every whim, they dont bring in enough for that, Ireland have no royal family and get the same tourists, if you check figures the UK is well down on tourism compared to the rest of Europe, its a myth that they bring in cash.

Queen 22% pay rise Mps 11% pay rise every one else 1% if they are lucky.
regarding people working or not, its nothing to do with me if they want to work for slave wages then thats up to them.


Actually, I'm not sure any of your facts stand up to scrutiny, let's start with MP pension. It's currently a 40th of the salary for each year they have drawn a salary as an MP. Do you have any facts or is this just a rant?


Trust me that is fact it was 1/2 million in the 80s don't know what it is now but seems they are paupers compared to others news.nationalpost.com...

Just to let you know; i paid into a company pension for years and when the national freight got sold off my pension disappeared then I found out Maggie T let all management in sell offs raid the pension fund, my pension became a company asset.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 02:47 PM
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pavmas

uncommitted

pavmas

uncommitted

pavmas

AutumnWitch657
Unemployment is not welfare but thanks for insulting a few hundred thousand who used to have an income they paid taxes on to support the unemployment program and are now unfortunatly are out of a job due to a crappy economy. Way to go on tbat pride building statement.


Sorry if I insulted anyone, I live in the UK and has Industrial disablement benefit , but Im lumped in with anyone else who is on benefit and we are all called layabouts.

In fact I don't want to be treated different as we are all poor and their needs are no less than mines.

Its only fair as I lump MPs, Royalty, Bankers as Btards.


You are fantastic aren't you. So anyone - anyone - not working is to you not a layabout and should get everything they can because (weirdly) they are entitled to it - is that what you are saying?

MPs, and this is a little bit shocking to you obviously, do actually work, the Royalty actually give back the amount they are awarded every year and bankers..... well how do you defend a banker at the moment? Such a glib thing to say when you are actually referring to the massively small minority and also for 95% of the cases work for private companies, why come up with cliches?


Well lets start with MPs, when elected for the first time and an Mp attends the house of Commons for the first time they instantly qualify for 1/2 million pound pension whether they come back or not they could pack in day 2 and still they have qualified for 1/2million £ pension ( they work hard)
we have 635 MPs most days there are no more than 25 Mps in a chamber and I have seen vital thing discussed when only 3 MP attended.

The Royals. prince charles and his wife stayed in a hotel recently it cost £5000 per night, but it was the 200 security men that watched over them that cost the money. private calvary security people to do their every whim, they dont bring in enough for that, Ireland have no royal family and get the same tourists, if you check figures the UK is well down on tourism compared to the rest of Europe, its a myth that they bring in cash.

Queen 22% pay rise Mps 11% pay rise every one else 1% if they are lucky.
regarding people working or not, its nothing to do with me if they want to work for slave wages then thats up to them.


Actually, I'm not sure any of your facts stand up to scrutiny, let's start with MP pension. It's currently a 40th of the salary for each year they have drawn a salary as an MP. Do you have any facts or is this just a rant?


Trust me that is fact it was 1/2 million in the 80s don't know what it is now but seems they are paupers compared to others news.nationalpost.com...

Just to let you know; i paid into a company pension for years and when the national freight got sold off my pension disappeared then I found out Maggie T let all management in sell offs raid the pension fund, my pension became a company asset.


Here is the latest on MP pensions, used to be 1/2 million it seems Im behind the times, it could be up to 10m according to this.
www.theguardian.com...



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 02:48 PM
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pavmas

uncommitted

pavmas

uncommitted

pavmas

AutumnWitch657
Unemployment is not welfare but thanks for insulting a few hundred thousand who used to have an income they paid taxes on to support the unemployment program and are now unfortunatly are out of a job due to a crappy economy. Way to go on tbat pride building statement.


Sorry if I insulted anyone, I live in the UK and has Industrial disablement benefit , but Im lumped in with anyone else who is on benefit and we are all called layabouts.

In fact I don't want to be treated different as we are all poor and their needs are no less than mines.

Its only fair as I lump MPs, Royalty, Bankers as Btards.


You are fantastic aren't you. So anyone - anyone - not working is to you not a layabout and should get everything they can because (weirdly) they are entitled to it - is that what you are saying?

MPs, and this is a little bit shocking to you obviously, do actually work, the Royalty actually give back the amount they are awarded every year and bankers..... well how do you defend a banker at the moment? Such a glib thing to say when you are actually referring to the massively small minority and also for 95% of the cases work for private companies, why come up with cliches?


Well lets start with MPs, when elected for the first time and an Mp attends the house of Commons for the first time they instantly qualify for 1/2 million pound pension whether they come back or not they could pack in day 2 and still they have qualified for 1/2million £ pension ( they work hard)
we have 635 MPs most days there are no more than 25 Mps in a chamber and I have seen vital thing discussed when only 3 MP attended.

The Royals. prince charles and his wife stayed in a hotel recently it cost £5000 per night, but it was the 200 security men that watched over them that cost the money. private calvary security people to do their every whim, they dont bring in enough for that, Ireland have no royal family and get the same tourists, if you check figures the UK is well down on tourism compared to the rest of Europe, its a myth that they bring in cash.

Queen 22% pay rise Mps 11% pay rise every one else 1% if they are lucky.
regarding people working or not, its nothing to do with me if they want to work for slave wages then thats up to them.


Actually, I'm not sure any of your facts stand up to scrutiny, let's start with MP pension. It's currently a 40th of the salary for each year they have drawn a salary as an MP. Do you have any facts or is this just a rant?


Trust me that is fact it was 1/2 million in the 80s don't know what it is now but seems they are paupers compared to others news.nationalpost.com...

Just to let you know; i paid into a company pension for years and when the national freight got sold off my pension disappeared then I found out Maggie T let all management in sell offs raid the pension fund, my pension became a company asset.


What you think it was in the '80's is neither here nor there, you stated it was the case now, it isn't. My pension was totally destroyed under the more recent labour regime. Get over it. We are in this mess for bigger reasons than that, the global economy went pear shaped.

Please, if you are trying to act like Russell Brand, acting like a 14 year old who has just found a copy of the Socialist Worker (spit) will only work for people who like populist statements that don't actually solve anything, but some people will always suck up the rhetoric without checking the facts, won't they?



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 02:50 PM
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pavmas

pavmas

uncommitted

pavmas

uncommitted

pavmas

AutumnWitch657
Unemployment is not welfare but thanks for insulting a few hundred thousand who used to have an income they paid taxes on to support the unemployment program and are now unfortunatly are out of a job due to a crappy economy. Way to go on tbat pride building statement.


Sorry if I insulted anyone, I live in the UK and has Industrial disablement benefit , but Im lumped in with anyone else who is on benefit and we are all called layabouts.

In fact I don't want to be treated different as we are all poor and their needs are no less than mines.

Its only fair as I lump MPs, Royalty, Bankers as Btards.


You are fantastic aren't you. So anyone - anyone - not working is to you not a layabout and should get everything they can because (weirdly) they are entitled to it - is that what you are saying?

MPs, and this is a little bit shocking to you obviously, do actually work, the Royalty actually give back the amount they are awarded every year and bankers..... well how do you defend a banker at the moment? Such a glib thing to say when you are actually referring to the massively small minority and also for 95% of the cases work for private companies, why come up with cliches?


Well lets start with MPs, when elected for the first time and an Mp attends the house of Commons for the first time they instantly qualify for 1/2 million pound pension whether they come back or not they could pack in day 2 and still they have qualified for 1/2million £ pension ( they work hard)
we have 635 MPs most days there are no more than 25 Mps in a chamber and I have seen vital thing discussed when only 3 MP attended.

The Royals. prince charles and his wife stayed in a hotel recently it cost £5000 per night, but it was the 200 security men that watched over them that cost the money. private calvary security people to do their every whim, they dont bring in enough for that, Ireland have no royal family and get the same tourists, if you check figures the UK is well down on tourism compared to the rest of Europe, its a myth that they bring in cash.

Queen 22% pay rise Mps 11% pay rise every one else 1% if they are lucky.
regarding people working or not, its nothing to do with me if they want to work for slave wages then thats up to them.


Actually, I'm not sure any of your facts stand up to scrutiny, let's start with MP pension. It's currently a 40th of the salary for each year they have drawn a salary as an MP. Do you have any facts or is this just a rant?


Trust me that is fact it was 1/2 million in the 80s don't know what it is now but seems they are paupers compared to others news.nationalpost.com...

Just to let you know; i paid into a company pension for years and when the national freight got sold off my pension disappeared then I found out Maggie T let all management in sell offs raid the pension fund, my pension became a company asset.


Here is the latest on MP pensions, used to be 1/2 million it seems Im behind the times, it could be up to 10m according to this.
www.theguardian.com...


Now actually read the article, it doesn't say an individual MP will get 10 million does it? The onus is on you to actually honestly state that.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 02:55 PM
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SubTruth
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I have been saying this since 2008 when the unemployment runs out in mass watch out. We are living on a razors edge in this world and the tide just might turn for the worse.



When people can not feed or house themselves it is very scary. Also if you make under 12 dollars an hour you are also screwed. Inflation is real people you can actually see it.


Or you can look at it another way. When people have nothing, what have they got to lose? Will the Governments push people to revolt? Is that their plan?
edit on 16/12/13 by Cobaltic1978 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 03:01 PM
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pavmas

pavmas

uncommitted

pavmas

uncommitted

pavmas

AutumnWitch657
Unemployment is not welfare but thanks for insulting a few hundred thousand who used to have an income they paid taxes on to support the unemployment program and are now unfortunatly are out of a job due to a crappy economy. Way to go on tbat pride building statement.


Sorry if I insulted anyone, I live in the UK and has Industrial disablement benefit , but Im lumped in with anyone else who is on benefit and we are all called layabouts.

In fact I don't want to be treated different as we are all poor and their needs are no less than mines.

Its only fair as I lump MPs, Royalty, Bankers as Btards.


You are fantastic aren't you. So anyone - anyone - not working is to you not a layabout and should get everything they can because (weirdly) they are entitled to it - is that what you are saying?

MPs, and this is a little bit shocking to you obviously, do actually work, the Royalty actually give back the amount they are awarded every year and bankers..... well how do you defend a banker at the moment? Such a glib thing to say when you are actually referring to the massively small minority and also for 95% of the cases work for private companies, why come up with cliches?


Well lets start with MPs, when elected for the first time and an Mp attends the house of Commons for the first time they instantly qualify for 1/2 million pound pension whether they come back or not they could pack in day 2 and still they have qualified for 1/2million £ pension ( they work hard)
we have 635 MPs most days there are no more than 25 Mps in a chamber and I have seen vital thing discussed when only 3 MP attended.

The Royals. prince charles and his wife stayed in a hotel recently it cost £5000 per night, but it was the 200 security men that watched over them that cost the money. private calvary security people to do their every whim, they dont bring in enough for that, Ireland have no royal family and get the same tourists, if you check figures the UK is well down on tourism compared to the rest of Europe, its a myth that they bring in cash.

Queen 22% pay rise Mps 11% pay rise every one else 1% if they are lucky.
regarding people working or not, its nothing to do with me if they want to work for slave wages then thats up to them.


Actually, I'm not sure any of your facts stand up to scrutiny, let's start with MP pension. It's currently a 40th of the salary for each year they have drawn a salary as an MP. Do you have any facts or is this just a rant?


Trust me that is fact it was 1/2 million in the 80s don't know what it is now but seems they are paupers compared to others news.nationalpost.com...

Just to let you know; i paid into a company pension for years and when the national freight got sold off my pension disappeared then I found out Maggie T let all management in sell offs raid the pension fund, my pension became a company asset.


Here is the latest on MP pensions, used to be 1/2 million it seems Im behind the times, it could be up to 1m according to this.
www.theguardian.com...



I tried to find the Info on the 1/2 million but it seems to be re written in a way that could give them more, if a MP leaves his post through illness or something, it can be taken that he would have been an MP till 65 and will recieve a pension.

So Im elected and I leave because of stress, Im 34, I get my pension entitlements up to im 65 paid for me.
Pension arrangements[edit]
MPs will normally receive a pension of either 1/40th or 1/50th of their final pensionable salary for each year of pensionable service depending on the contribution rate they will have chosen. Members who made contributions of 10% of their salary gain an accrual rate of 1/40th.[5] According to a 2009 report in the Daily Mail, state contributions for MPs are more than four times higher than the average paid out by companies for final-salary schemes, however they are not significantly more generous than most public sector pensions.[6]

If an MP stands down during the course of a Parliament for ill health reasons, an ill health retirement grant is payable, calculated in the same way as the Resettlement Grant (as well as an immediate pension based on the service the MP would have accrued if he or she had continued to serve until age 65).[7]

Resettlement Grant and Winding-up Allowance[edit]
On leaving the House of Commons, an MP will be entitled to what is essentially severance pay.

Resettlement Grant

The Resettlement Grant is the name given to the MP's severance pay package. It may be claimed to help former MPs with the costs of adjusting to nonparliamentary life. It is payable to any Member who ceases to be an MP at a General Election. The amount is based on age and length of service, and varies between 50% and 100% of the annual salary payable to a Member of Parliament at the time of the Dissolution.[8]

In the UK the first £30,000 of severance pay is tax free. The amount retiring MPs, or those who lose their seats receive depends on how old they are and how long they have served in the House. Example. An MP who stays in office for one term (say 5 years) and then leaves office will currently receive tax-free severance pay of 50% of his current salary, or £32,383 at current rates - equivalent to an annual salary increment of over £12,000 at current tax rates and pay scales.[9]

Winding-up Allowance

There is also up to £42,000 on offer to pay for winding up staff contracts and office rent.[10] An allowance of up to one third of the annual Office Costs Allowance was paid for the reimbursement of the cost of any work on Parliamentary business undertaken on behalf of a deceased, defeated or retiring Member after the date of cessation of Membership. On 5 July 2001 the House agreed to change the allowance to one third of the sum of the staffing provision and Incidental Expenses Allowance in force at the time of cessation of Membership.[11]



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 03:04 PM
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A measure of a societies civilisation is how well it treats the elderly, sick and those without work. I think we can see where this is all going. The standard has dropped.
edit on 16-12-2013 by AthlonSavage because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 03:06 PM
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How long have the 1.3 million been on unemployment? Seriously...

I wonder how this will affect the unemployment numbers? I guess that it will actually lower those numbers substantially.

The unemployment numbers have been wrong for a few years to a huge degree.

Most of the population were denied unemployment during this time of the 1.3 being allowed extensions far past the time allotted for people to be on unemployment.

To apply for or to be eligible for unemployment does not grant you the benefits. Far more people eligible were denied for one reason or another and so the unemployment numbers never reflected their need to be counted in the % of actual unemployed.

It has become next to impossible to get unemployment in the past several years. Those who applied and did not get it were never counted as unemployed.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 03:06 PM
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It does seem that way, but they are splitting the population, so you will have similar to Lybia where half backed Ghdaffi and half did not.
I really don't understand it as you would think a government would want it people united as one.

It seems they want to create hate and split the country in 2.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 03:08 PM
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Yes, so? That MP pension would not be payable at 34, it would be payable at retirement age unless you retired through ill health and had an insurance policy in place.

The whole current IPSA agreement is to reduce an MP's pension payout, with the 11% while they are in seat being a balancer - which do you think makes most sense?


edit on 16-12-2013 by uncommitted because: changed the word salary to pension in first line



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 03:08 PM
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Bilk22

theantediluvian
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White House to allow jobless benefits to expire for 1.3 million

Not to be critical, but it's not the "White House," it's Congress. The President can't extend jobless benefits.
He seems to make laws and or break them when it suits his agenda. He pushed the last debt ceiling issue down our throats.


No, you are just making this anti Obama (yet again). Congress is a debate between two parties, would you like to show which is voting on what in this? Or is that too much to ask and you are going to route back to the birth certificate question rather than answer?

Mel Gibson is your avator, another person who likes to misconstrue facts to match their personal belief. Deny ignorance means face facts or find new ones that stand up to scrutiny, harder than it looks, isn't it.
That's not Mel Gibson. That's William Wallace


Now do you really think there's two parties in all of this? LOL Maybe you're not old enough



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 03:11 PM
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no it says 1 million i think i corrected that.

Listen its a lot more than people think, they are not paid poor, they are on boards where and comittees that earn them fortunes for a few days work a year, its a gravy train



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 03:11 PM
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Bilk22

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Bilk22

theantediluvian
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White House to allow jobless benefits to expire for 1.3 million

Not to be critical, but it's not the "White House," it's Congress. The President can't extend jobless benefits.
He seems to make laws and or break them when it suits his agenda. He pushed the last debt ceiling issue down our throats.


No, you are just making this anti Obama (yet again). Congress is a debate between two parties, would you like to show which is voting on what in this? Or is that too much to ask and you are going to route back to the birth certificate question rather than answer?

Mel Gibson is your avator, another person who likes to misconstrue facts to match their personal belief. Deny ignorance means face facts or find new ones that stand up to scrutiny, harder than it looks, isn't it.
That's not Mel Gibson. That's William Wallace


Now do you really think there's two parties in all of this? LOL Maybe you're not old enough


Now that is amazing, who went back with a camera and took the picture of Wallace? I think I could probably beat you on the age thing.



posted on Dec, 16 2013 @ 03:14 PM
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And the cheeky Bar Stewards have forcibly changed Public Servants pensions, which they contribute to, from 1/60ths to 1/80ths.

In the article it states that the cost of the pension increase is estimated at a cost of £10million, but the Guardian have actually crunched the numbers and the cost could run to £25million.

It's a good job the M.P's don't want it anyway, so I can' exactly see what the fuss is all about really, can you?



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