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Originally posted by Janus
..... oh and by the way would you lie to protect a brother Mason?"
Originally posted by intrepid
Originally posted by Janus
..... oh and by the way would you lie to protect a brother Mason?"
Actually, I think the answer a Mason would give you is NO. Masons pride themselves on their honor and lying would be a blemish on that.
Originally posted by lost
two kinds of people join them: cheaters, and followers. cheaters, because they like a fancy title to hide behind, and followers because they are weak minded in need of fellowship and support to feel special. sure "service this and service that." why the secrets?
- i dont need to keep secrets to feel special. it must be grand to think you're 'elite' because you're part of some 'brotherhood' -bah! favor for a favor bullsh!t. WEAK...
Originally posted by lost
two kinds of people join them: cheaters, and followers. cheaters, because they like a fancy title to hide behind, and followers because they are weak minded in need of fellowship and support to feel special. sure "service this and service that." why the secrets?
-i know i know, i could go and join and then know the secrets however trivial they might be. point is - i dont need to keep secrets to feel special. it must be grand to think you're 'elite' because you're part of some 'brotherhood' -bah! favor for a favor bullsh!t. WEAK...
-naturally, there are exceptions to the rule...there may in fact be some 'brothers' who actually join such frats for noble reasons like service etc. but they are few and have twisted logic
i know there are plenty of masons here at ATS: take a deep breath guys, no harm done.
Originally posted by Bondi
Janus,
The best information is always for the source. Or at least the best things to investigate are. They will answer your questions and these will develope more questions and I am sure they will answer those as well.
I am sure you will find the answers you are looking for.
Let me know how you get on, it's been nice talking with you.
Originally posted by Janus
I wouldnt say i didnt like Freemasonary, its just that i find Freemasonary's almost fanatical defense of its self a bit, well a bit disturbing.
I would take Therron Dunn as an example. Some of Therrons comments i found a bit strange his perculier habit of spelling God as g-d it came across as though he couldnt bear to write it properly.
Also i remember a comment by him to PublicGadfly saying that as a "mere outsider" he wouldnt understand what he meant, it came across as though everyone outside of Masonary was of no importance and that nothing mattered but Masonary.
You must understand that these are just my impressions of the Man and his beliefs and in no way representive of what he is really like, for all i know he is a nice guy.
My point is that for most people the only contact we have of Masonary is through converations we have on these boards and the imppresion i get is that some times Masons perhaps defend themselves a bit too hard, and that makes people think that perhaps there is more to the roumers regarding Masons then perhaps there is. Masons like Therron, no matter how good their intentions are, sometimes cause Masonary more harm than good.
Anyway back to the topic of the thread. I personally have a problem with any society that can have an affect directly on my life without my consent, I.E. Masons that uphold the Laws that are there to protect and serve me for instance. Although you can argue that Masons in Law Enforcement and the Courts would never put Masonary before their reponsibility to the Law, there is still a doubt in the back of peoples minds. Would Judge X let Crimanal Y have a lighter sentance because they belong to the same Lodge for instance or would Employer A employ Employee B over me because he is a Mason even though i am better qualified.
Going back to Therron, i believe he said that almost all his Employees are Masons and that he would take a Mason on before a none Mason. ( Sorry for using him as an example again but its those first impressions again )
That is why a lot of people find it so hard to trust what Masons say, or at least it is for me.
By the way, what happened to Therron?
Originally posted by Janus
My questions were not meant to offend, they were just that...Questions
I dont really consider myself Anti anything but i suppose i was bound to be labeled as such
The Questions i asked were answered more or less to my satisfaction
i plan on asking them to a Mason face to face
Again thankyou for your input.
Originally posted by mastermason
Ok, first off I'm a Mason. I've been in the Lodge for almost five years, currently I'm junior warden in my lodge. I've never seen anything like alot of you folks talk about. Masonary is nothing more than the world oldest and largest mens fraternal organization. We also give millions of dollars away to charity every day. I don't know why son people think we worship the devil and nonsense like this. I hope this Disney movie National Treasure will open some peoples eyes so they can see that masonic principles are what this country was founded upon. I'm sorry if you think were a cult, but were not most of us are good, honest, born again Christian men that live right in the community you live in. Masonary teaches that were are to tolerate each other even if we don't agree on some issues. This is why you never see your local lodges having ads or commercials try to dispell the meths of our fraternity. There are no reall secrets now that you have the internet. If you look real hard you can find all of our passwords, and handshakes right here on the net. I will probably by kicked off this site but I would at least like to speak up for my fraternity.
Originally posted by lost
-you simple enquire? is that what you do... lol.
im sorry, i hadnt realized you owned this thread. i will be leaving now.............. or not. i must not have picked up the rule book to this specific thread, but surely it says in big bold letters "keep 'in tune'
with what bingo thinks this thread is supposed to be about." -
get over yourself buddy. its really too bad that you're not interested in degrading opinions. oh boohoo. i guess my comments dont qualify as general concerns' -will you please draw that line for me?
Would you now?
Is that the problem? no real evidence? yeah, this ATS place is overflowing with evidence..........hmm.
^whatever that means??
oh no i've failed!
yes! -ive been given a second chance!! oh thank you thank you!
or what?
wow, that was fun.
-I dont like freemasonry because they keep secrets.
bingo, do your worst.
wow, that was fun. the below are OPINIONS. let me get that out of the way so we can all sleep tonite.
-I dont like freemasonry because they keep secrets.
-people who join any fraternity (including masonry) are generally cheaters or followers.
for all you political correcto's: if you would like to further your understanding as to why I hold the above opinions, please see my first post in this thread on page 2. ok enough already....
bingo, do your worst.
i know there are plenty of masons here at ATS: take a deep breath guys, no harm done.
bingo, do your worst.