And PS: Take your heavy metal and the Christians with you, eh?
reply to post by MamaJ
I'm not sure why we should consider your god the one and only when he's not even the first. Given how long you have existed on this earth, I'd say you should probably cover your bases and go all the way back to the very beginning of theism according to all cultural mythologies and all historical records across all nations in the history of the world.
Hey, isn't our host, the OP, going to join the discussion?
He was the one who called this meeting.
This is why someone cannot simply read the Qur'an and decide they understand what it means.
If I tell you someone tried to kill my neighbor this morning, it would sound as if this person is a horrendous human being who needs locked up.
But if the historical context was that someone tried to kill my neighbor because he murdered this man's wife and was about to kill him next, but this person fought valiantly against my neighbor's attack and prevented his own death... then that seriously changes your perspective.
And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves
We are animals. We share the same biology and instincts and needs.
We are far more than animals.
Let me know when you discover any historical record kept by dolphins, or when polar bears land on Mars.
Message from Islam? Allah hates unbelievers. Qur'an 30:45, 3:32, 22:38
Message from Christianity? God loves all his children.
The same "God"? Hardly.
I still wonder where is Abraham's karma? Did it pass on to his seed with Hagar?
I still wonder - did Abraham ever really exist?
If not ... Christianity could survive, but Islam and Judaism would be mortally wounded.
The Quran is not a difficult book, it is plainly worded, and to suggest that "God" would make his last message to his creation difficult to comprehend, sounds like blasphemy to me.
Don't you agree?
5:33-“The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution (by beheading), or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;”
8:12- “I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off.”
47:4- “Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), strike off their heads; at length; then when you have made wide Slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives”: thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.”
9:123: “Oh ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers and let them find harshness in you.”
2:191- “Kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from wherever they drove you out.”
2:193- “Fight them on until there is no more tumult and religion becomes that of Allah”
9:29- "Fight those who do not believe in God and the last day... and fight People of the Book, (Christian and Jews) who do not accept the religion of truth (Islam) until they pay tribute (Zizziya tax) by hand, being inferior.”
8:17-It is not ye who Slew them; it is God; when thou threwest a handful of dust, it was not Thy act, but God’s…..”
...preferably with a pocket knife
Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)
UK will pay... your 911 is on it's way!
edit on 16-12-2013 by SisyphusRide because: (no reason given)
Okay. My two comments -
- The qu'ran is a complete fabrication. Total fiction.
- All that threat of hellfire for those who don't believe in the Muslim 'allah' ....
Typical religious cult guilt-nonsense.
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reply to post by logical7
"And whosoever believes in Allah and performs righteous good deeds,"
And what exactly are these "deeds"?
The new covenant makes clear: Respect the 10 Commandments and recognise the Messiah: Christ.
It is a tradition of cult leaders to declare that "God" says to obey them and fulfill their whims, who issue convenient "decrees" from God affirming the "prophets" desires must be satisfied.
Just ask Aisha : "Truly Allah seems to be very quick in fulfilling your prayers."
reply to post by logical7
"Discuss" what? How we're all going to hell because you posted some ancient, translated rantings from a person who 'claimed' to have been met by an angel in a cave?
5. Has not the news reached you of those who disbelieved
aforetime? And so they tasted
the evil result of their disbelief,
and theirs will be a painful
So, someone came back from the place of painful torment with this 'news'?
Which "outlet" was it that spread it?? Some guy holding a saber and leading a camel?
Lots of people thought Hitler was a noble leader as well. We know what happened with that.
Let's discuss how Hitler is similar to Muhammed - wanting to kill everyone who didn't believe what he said.
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If it were 'exactly' the same, then it would be exactly the same. But it's not.
Or maybe it's the NT and OT god who is the liar. That's probably what the Muslims would tell you. And what do you have that they don't? Where's your tie-breaker?
reply to post by nenothtu
lol... I thought Jesus spoke in parables to make it easy for people to understand, more relate-able for the average person...
I didn't know they were supposed to be hard to understand! Where does He say His style of speech was to make it difficult? I am just curious I simply never heard such a thing..edit on 18-12-2013 by OpinionatedB because: (no reason given)
reply to post by nenothtu
your supposed to be the curmudgeonly Regent of ATS! They don't have Christians and heavy metal in your castle!
lol... do you have a castle?