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The question is not one of giving. It is one of force. Which philosophy forces you to give? Of course, "giving" cannot be forced. When giving is forced, we know it by another name, and that name is theft. Was Jesus for theft then?
And, of course, all this assumes that there is actually a zero sum argument here.
In order to believe this, you have to believe that the only reason that people do not want a socialist/Marxist/Communist/fascist tyranny is because we are so selfish we want to keep everything to ourselves, and that is the only possible reason we could be opposed to it. That is a false choice.
Jesus would be economically communistedit on 15-12-2013 by WaterBottle because: (no reason given)
I now think it means more that the 'money bags' you have in heaven will not grow old... not sure what that could mean though... still interested in your view.edit on 15-12-2013 by iRoyalty because: (no reason given)
Do not be afraid any longer, little flock, for your Father is pleased to give you the kingdom.
Sell your belongings and give alms. Provide money bags for yourselves that do not wear out, an inexhaustible treasure in heaven that no thief can reach nor moth destroy.
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I personally don't think God warned us about anything. He supposedly gave us free will to make choices. To give us warnings of any kind negates free will. I also think, everything attributed to God as being his word, is nothing more than the projections of ego by man.
Ok, perhaps I phrased the title badly... What I meant was that my understanding of the bibles verses on the rich, led me to believe that God would not want people to be gaining extreme wealth, in fact a someone who gave up all their riches to the poor seems to have a good shot at eternal happiness!
Left wing ideology demands property be removed from any who they designate as wealthy by force and penalty of law for the greater good and to build a government big enough and powerful enough to impose that will.
Can you source this please? I've never heard of this before.
Ah, you are referring to communism... well since they dismantled the church I doubt that Jesus would approve of those... Also communism was terrible since the people in power got SUPER rich... You can't lump all socialist ideology in with that lot, otherwise I should be lumping you in with the Nazis...
As for the OWS I think you missed their point, they wanted bankers and stock brokers to stop gambling away money and then call for a bailout which took money away from the social structure of society.
No I agree, everyone should be charitable regardless of political orientation. Yes left wing politics tax more and the front will be on the rich, I get what your saying though, having that tax put on them is the same as forcing it from them, however, if they were a good christian and they knew their money was going to help the poor people of this country, should they not be happy?
So you do not think Jesus would approve of the re-distribution of the wealth of the rich going into the hands of the poor?
Now before I begin, I would like to point out that I am not a man of God,
True Wisdom and ignorance spoken in the first sentence! This explains everything.
I am a man of god.
Right there, nail on the head. Capitalism DEMANDS profit and profit will come before charity, humanity and even the good lord himself! I do not believe this Capitalist society where profits are more important than COMMON HUMAN KINDNESS is what Jesus had in mind. My main point on this whole thread (that no one has picked up on, perhaps I should have made it clearer) is that Jesus would not approve of this capitalist system based on never ending profit. In fact the bible warns us that greed will not get you into the Kingdom of heaven, so what do the 'Christian' leaders do? Create a system built on greed.
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The only people whose wealth has been robbed, has been the middle class and working class in the biggest redistribution of wealth in human history, with the bailouts in 2008 not to mention QE. Both policies benefitted the rich, who have increased their overall wealth in the following years. Recessions are a great time when your rich and can buy up real estate and property at bargain prices.
But yeah I guess its always about envy and wanting to steal from the rich.