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Higgs Boson and Relativity FRAUD

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posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 12:06 AM
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ChaoticOrder
reply to post by KrzYma
 



you know it is an disturbance in the EM field right? that's why no mass and the huge speed ?

I'm talking about mass... Higgs field friction creating it... as some physicists say

According to modern field theories, all particles can be described as a ripple in an underlying field. The Higgs Boson is supposed to be a ripple in the Higgs Field. I'm not saying I believe this stuff, I'm just telling you what the mainstream theories are.


Yes, thank you!

funny thing is, they tell you all is a wave and we don't really exist.. just to fit the calculus they think is right..

I'm not a wave, I'm her, as you are over there and anybody else




posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 12:08 AM
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JBA2848
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They are still within the atmosphere of the earth and its gravity. They must stay within it to stay with the earth or the earth will leave it as it travels away on its way around the sun. Objects don't drift away from the earth when they reach a certain distance from the earth. The earth just quits pulling it with it on its journey. The object is left in the stillness of space as the earth continues its long journey at thousands of miles per hour while spinning.


Incorrect. The Earth does still exedrt gravity on the object, it does not stop. In fact, the gravity of the Earth touches every single object in the entire Universe, every last one.



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 12:09 AM
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have a nice day!

you really think English is the only language in the world ??
if this is not ignorance I don't know...



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 12:13 AM
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ETA: and yes, this is a negative post, why are you wasting everyone's time pretending to ask questions you're not willing to hear the answers to, the kind folks here on ATS trying to explain things to you don't need your slander accusations and attitude.





posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 12:13 AM
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JBA2848
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14000 mph is the speed the atmosphere trapped in the earths bubble is spinning compared to stillness of space. The speed of the upper atmosphere is higher then the surface of the earth. That is where the higher speed comes in.
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complete garbage and I proved it.
Here is a list of escape velocities. How many of them other than Earth have escape velocities that match their speed around the Sun?
en.wikipedia.org...

They all should according to you.



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 12:15 AM
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I'm not a wave, I'm her, as you are over there and anybody else

You as a whole are not something I would call a wave, but the electrons inside of you certainly are waves which can be expressed with a wave function. This is very much proven, and just because all particles can be thought of as waves doesn't mean we aren't "real".



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 12:15 AM
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KrzYma
reply to post by Lighterside
 


have a nice day!

you really think English is the only language in the world ??
if this is not ignorance I don't know...


No, but we do think Einstein said you can NOT attach motion to "ether", and then you say Einstein says ether exists and motion proves Einstein wrong. You do the exact thing Einstein PROVED you can not do, and when things don't add up you claim Einstein is wrong .. even though it's 100% proven you are.



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 12:16 AM
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The strength of the gravity dies off and becomes weaker and does not contain enough pull in order to drag something along with it at a point. Or every object out there would have pulled together already into one mass. Hell even the moon is slowing drifting away.



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 12:18 AM
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You don't read peoples post do you?
Read it again.

The earth traveling around the sun is 68000 mph. A different thing then the speed our atmosphere is spinning where it meets space. 14000 mph. Which is where you are breaking the earths atmosphere and need to travel at or above that speed.
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posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 12:23 AM
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ChaoticOrder
reply to post by KrzYma
 



I'm not a wave, I'm her, as you are over there and anybody else

You as a whole are not something I would call a wave, but the electrons inside of you certainly are waves which can be expressed with a wave function. This is very much proven, and just because all particles can be thought of as waves doesn't mean we aren't "real".


not exactly...
electrons are not waves, the electric field is, more exactly the change in space creates one

if you could stop all the electrons an protons so they don't move at all ( what is impossible for us ) there would be no waves, but electrons and protons will still be there



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 12:24 AM
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JBA2848
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The strength of the gravity dies off and becomes weaker and does not contain enough pull in order to drag something along with it at a point. Or every object out there would have pulled together already into one mass. Hell even the moon is slowing drifting away.

F is proportional to 1/r^2

F (gravity) can never reach 0 at any distance. You have absolutely zero understanding, and despite my trying to educate you, you refuse to listen and prefer to be ignorant.

Escape Volcity = Square root of (2*Gravitation constant*Mass)/distance from the center of the gravity

Where does your theory fit into that 100% verifibale and proven formula?



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 12:35 AM
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I already did.

But by the mere matching numbers of speed needed to break the bond and how fast the earth atmosphere is moving at that height means there is a more complex answer then just gravity and atmosphere. Gravity and atmosphere is related to spin of the earth rotation.

You can't ignore it just to simplify a equation. It is there and is related. It is just to difficult for anybody to come up with simple answer yet. So they just call it all gravity because a apple does fall.

When you think about this picture you could just about put a aircraft in there breaking the sound barrier. And then you have to realize that speed of travel has more meaning with our universe than they say it does. Rotation and the speed traveling trough space is a important factor they seem to ignore.

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posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 12:35 AM
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electrons are not waves, the electric field is, more exactly the change in space creates one

According to quantum mechanics, the electrons and all other particles are waves (at least when not being observed). That is conclusively proven by the double slit experiment.



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 01:02 AM
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OccamsRazor04

KrzYma
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have a nice day!

you really think English is the only language in the world ??
if this is not ignorance I don't know...


No, but we do think Einstein said you can NOT attach motion to "ether", and then you say Einstein says ether exists and motion proves Einstein wrong. You do the exact thing Einstein PROVED you can not do, and when things don't add up you claim Einstein is wrong .. even though it's 100% proven you are.


OK, lets start over...

Einstein's relativity.. well, he needed two theories as one was not enough, he postulated motion is relative and there can be no preferred reference frame. means... If I move relative to you I can also say you move relative to me, right ?

this means if I move relative to the Ether, I can also say Ether moves relative to me.
can not be! the whole universe ?? I require small energy to change my path, in reverse the whole Universe needs to change the path, can you see the energy required for this??

now...
because Higgs field, as scientists say, create the mass of the particle, as particles moves through it.
Ether is unthinkable for the relativity,( ether has to be motionless so everything else can move though it to become the mass particles are )
Einstein said there can be no preferred reference frame otherwise it doesn't work.
If ether existed, it would simply doesn't work for Einstein and his theory.
Yes, he admitted there must be some kind of Ether later on. (?)

so, if there is an Ether that holds the Higgs field,( or the Higgs field itself as Ether), and movement inside this Ether create the mass, there musts be a point where particle still exist but do not move relative to the Ether, in this case they must be massless what can not be !!

All this contradicts the principles of conservation of energy, which is again, just another theory

If there is an Ether, relativity is wrong, if relativity is right there is no Ether and there can not be any Higgs filed.

No Higgs field no mass, If Higgs field, no relativity

PS: actually I did a mistake talking about motion path change and relativity in one though.
special relativity doesn't allow any acceleration what so ever to be hold

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posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 01:14 AM
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ChaoticOrder
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electrons are not waves, the electric field is, more exactly the change in space creates one

According to quantum mechanics, the electrons and all other particles are waves (at least when not being observed). That is conclusively proven by the double slit experiment.


double split experiment only proofs that a field, in this case electro magnetic field, can interact with itself if it has been "broke up" into pieces.

all other experiments with electrons or even protons, atoms what ever make no difference.

before they shoot any of this particles through the slits, they ionise them so they can be accelerated.
In this form they are not just particles, but charged particles. A charge creates a field and if it moves it creates waves, waves interact... also with themselves... and so on...



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 01:35 AM
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KrzYmathis means if I move relative to the Ether, I can also say Ether moves relative to me.
can not be! the whole universe ?? I require small energy to change my path, in reverse the whole Universe needs to change the path, can you see the energy required for this??

Did not bother reading the rest because you STILL do not get it. You can not attach movement to ether. Ether has NO mechanical properties. NONE.

I keep telling you and you refuse to listen. You keep talking about the PRE EINSTEIN Ether and attaching that to Einstein. Those theories are dead, Einstein proved them wrong. DO NOT talk about movement and ether.

Think of gravity as Ether .. or perhaps spooky action at a distance will be found to be connected to the "ether" Einstein postulated.

Basically what I believe happened was Einsteins friend/mentor believed in ether and Einstein simply used the term ether in support of his friend. He 100% proved that ether, in the manner it was conceptualized, was false, did not exist, and could not exist.
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posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 01:44 AM
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I've read the post three times and I still haven't found the 'fraud'.

This ether was just early prototypes of the theory of relativity. Not to mention that ether has never been detected or accepted by the scientific community.



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 01:52 AM
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You're right. The OP is the troller here. I've read him on other forums asking the very same question. He doesn't care about your answer or how valid it may be. He simply will not accept your reply (actually, he doesn't understand it anyway) unless it's in total agreement with his brain dead notions. He's an idiot, and it's pointless to reply to him.



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 05:11 AM
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KrzYma

winofiend
Can you provide a point of reference for me?

Can you tell me at which point you would never be moving? To have the question you pose, answered, I'd like to know what you are referring to when you ask that.

Do you mean, just standing still?


this is exactly the point. I can NOT give you any point of reference to the Higgs field. nobody can!
therefore the Higgs field is another made up field to fit the calculus of some theory

I'm asking, not explaining,... now


So what is the point of asking your question if you cannot qualify it. How else do you suppose a 'made up' hypothesis be tested, if not by testing it, anyway?

The field is the unknown thing that gives particles mass as they move through it. Different particles interact resulting in different mass. You don't get to not interact with it. Like swimming in the ocean, in the nude you are fairly streamlined and can swim to shore in no time. But now you're wearing your woollen jumper, denim jeans and ugg boots, you're slowly laboriously sinking as you head towards shore.

You don't not interact with the ocean at any time, whether you want to or not. you just react to the currents and how they cause you to appear within them by the nature of what you are.

You can claim the ocean is made up and nothing more than a waste of time. And others can test to see if there is anything to it.



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 05:13 AM
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KrzYma

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KrzYma


if movement in this Higgs field creates mass... right?
what happens if I don't move relative to this filed??
Am I massless ??



No because particles in your body cease to stop moving.



...I wasn't referring to my body as atoms in space, it was more abstract, referring to any, lets say.. electron, somewhere.. not moving in the so called ether or Higgs field

I'm myself nothing, just bunch of... whatever they call it


So you want to make up a new reality to potentially disprove something in this reality.

And you're ok with this? It serves you a purpose?

At night the sun disappears too. Prove me wrong, find me the sun at night.



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