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I agree some people need to stop being so dense.
Like the proponets of other countries healthcare systems
So it is about money.
Thanks for validating an earlier point.
Its all about the money and someone elses.
That is exactly what I am talking about with demagoguery. There is no one who is denied healthcare in this country.
As long has you have been on ATS, and read the political threads. Rather sure you have seen what was meant there.
True you don't have democrats and republicans there.
And someone has to fork out for the poor. Its unacceptable that in any developed country people should die of lack of healthcare. Its like starvation, should be a thing of the third world.
If cost isn't something you consider in that equation that sure. But the fact is that millions of Americans can't afford healthcare. I
Look at Obamacare and the fiasco it is by allowing the 'exchange'. People will be paying more for their healthcare for less effective coverage.
This is the same argument as not needing car insurance because you've never been in a car accident. N
I assume we were having a conversation based on our personal interactions, not the thoughts and ideas of the membership at large.
But you can't just flat out say all government programs are crap because they come from the government.
A good social program can exist, it's just a matter of forcing the people who are in charge of it, to run it correctly and for the people.
And the exponetial rise of care due to regulation, and fiat currency devaluation.
The cost of 100+ million Americans who are on medicare, and medicaid that count for over 1 trillion in debt that has no way to pay for it.
Obamacare was screwed, and intentionally. Look up one of its pundits like Reid saying it was a 'stepping stone to a single payer'.
Obama care was never designed to 'work'. It was designed to screw people over so they could 'save the day' yet agian.
Government programs are primarily funded via income tax these days. ThAT has a massive revenue shortfall that neither printing of money, and borrowing can cover.
I obviously disagree. The people should be in charge. As we have seen the people are not in charge of jack.
Aww how cute the poor little guy cant think of a reply do to redircet things to my country instead aww
Regulation is not the primary cause of rising healthcare costs. Nor is the fiat currency, although I agree that the fiat currency is the problem in general, overall, with every topic that touches finance.
But that's because the program is inherently broken and NOBODY wants to fix it. See the issue here? Not the program, the people running it.
There are certain things you just need to have these days friend. It's just the reality of it. You need car insurance, not for you, but because idiots are allowed to drive. You need health insurance, because eventually you're going to need to be looked after by somebody and if you can afford the price tag of private insurance that will do that for you, great. Most people don't.
Well that's one theory, be interesting to see how that plays out.
I'm confused. So you think focusing on creating revenue social programs is the key?
Again, not a problem with the program, a problem with people who run it
And the victim mentality displayed by a lot of people presents that from happening. 90% of people don't want to be in charge of anything. That's why we have government, so that competent and professional folk can do the work we mandate them to do.
There are challenges, but Healthcare has been left to the free market forever now.
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I don't believe that was/is the goal. If the US goes to a single-payer system, it would effectively leave the insurance companies high and dry. That is not and would not be acceptable in the pro-corporate fascist world of politics and business.