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Obama Administration Spent $4.5 Billion on State Healthcare Websites

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posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 01:33 PM
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Mind boggling how much has been spent on just the websites.

It looks like the federal Government has been *granting* big money to States for the **development** of websites for the ObamaCare exchanges.

The story has alarming details of the corruption and it reeks of crony cohort bandits at work.


Obama Administration Spent $4.5 Billion on State Healthcare Websites



Hundreds of millions spent on “consultants” and “executive leadership” who will “further operationalize the exchange”

According to public data compiled by Americans for Tax Reform, the Obama administration has spent a minimum of $4.5 billion in federal taxpayer dollars on state Obamacare websites. The money was funneled through the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS), a division of the Kathleen Sebelius-run Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).



the article has links and a table for States' grant money.

Many of those States are having big problems as well as low sign up rates


Epic Fail





posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 01:40 PM
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What are we seeing here? This has been one of the largest scale criminal frauds in our history, as it's starting to come out.

I was just reading a report yesterday behind the resignation of the Maryland state exchange head who'd been too busy in the Cayman Islands on a vacation to be reached when that state's system crashed and burned.

What matters here tho......the article clearly stated just over 100 Million MARYLAND Dollars went to build that monument to fail. Now it's BILLIONS that were spent ON TOP of what states spent? ...or is this just what he spent to force federal decree on the states who refused to play his games as the Supreme Court allowed them to choose?

Either way, it sounds like every lowlife and scum in the political world cashed in on this one like few things in America's past. Every criminal with credentials got payoffs here. No wonder we see support where we DO and *NO* support from so many places you'd think we would see it?

It starts making more sense as the picture is filled in by details.

* I'm not even joking a tiny bit when I say the charges for this need to start being looked at ...and the headline charge NEEDS to be RICO!

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posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 01:51 PM
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I was watching the news last night and some numbers jumped out at me.

With almost 6 million who lost their insurance, and an additional 7 million needed to make this tax/law viable, and with only a few hundred thousand signed up, and now billions being paid out for virtually no return, how long will it be before the government has to step in to bail out Obamacare?



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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It looks like it would have been a better idea to just implement a single-payer system. That would have made more fiscal sense than this disaster we are now witnessing.

We're paying all this money so that the government can force us to send more money to the insurance companies......sad indeed.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:17 PM
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It seems to me that the money this administration spent on websites could have been better spent on other things. The cost of funding this technology could keep costing the tax payer outrageous amounts. There is no benefit to the citizens from this expenditure, the insurance companies could have done this on their own. Is the Obama administration trying to create some rich computer company owners who pay their help peanuts? The jobs created probably do not even have healthcare benefits



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:18 PM
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That's just it Sheep. That was the intent from the start, in my view. More than one person out of that process in 2009 outright said it was a starting, not ending point.

The American people just flat out would NOT allow socialized medicine in 2009 and the Government hadn't yet begun to outright violate laws in our faces to do what it wanted anyway.

So, solution? Build a system that cannot hold, cannot sustain and may not even launch properly.... AFTER spending 4 years "preparing" for it. Which means more like dismantling and destroying the old system so nothing exists to go BACK to.

Then when the one they slapped together with duct tape and bailing wire falls apart, as people in 2009 could see it would? We have nothing left. No going forward. No going back.

You'd like to see a single player system? It's coming....and it was always meant to, as I've come to see this unfold.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:22 PM
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Oh, come on!
This is just the cost of getting things rolling.
Don't you greedy Nazis want people to have FREE HEALTHCARE?

Nope. It doesn't work in this situation either. I just can't figure out why everybody was saying this over and over before Obamacare was passed.

I must have heard it a million times, but nobody seems to have free healthcare yet.

Puzzling.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:28 PM
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I don't believe that was/is the goal. If the US goes to a single-payer system, it would effectively leave the insurance companies high and dry. That is not and would not be acceptable in the pro-corporate fascist world of politics and business.

A single-payer system would be the best way to go, but those in charge and those that would be effected will do everything they can to make sure it does not come about.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:32 PM
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We'll still have insurance companies.

They'll just be backed by the government now. They'll be the "face" of government.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:52 PM
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Obamacare has nothing to do with socialization of medicine.

Total socialization of health care from top to bottom, with the only goal of making people healthy and not making profit is the way it should be.

When you get a car, are you projecting that repairing it will be lucrative?
No, we all know it's a money drain because the utility of having a car is to move around and the costs are justified.

Why don't we do the same with humans?
Human resources don't mean sick people paying to get healed. Getting citizens back in working shape is suppose to cost money, not being a source of profit.

Also, having people take pharmaceutical pills all their lives instead of just finding the cure isn't something we would aim for if medicine was totally socialized.

Obamacare is just another nail in the coffin in the destruction of American currency and society, because that's exactly what the elite want.
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posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:52 PM
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$4.5 billion on a freaking website?

WTF

WTF Man

WTF

I mean how? Really how?

Does the website sing and dance? Doe you get a really epic movie when you open the web page?

I mean what the hell?



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:52 PM
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beezzer
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We'll still have insurance companies.

They'll just be backed by the government now. They'll be the "face" of government.


We have the government ensuring the insurance companies get paid by forcing the people to pay.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 03:02 PM
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That is not and would not be acceptable in the pro-corporate fascist world of politics and business.


I'm not making the assumption that those with ultimate power and ultimate control have any concern or care for what corporate America wants or cares about. If they cared anything for that, the US wouldn't be sitting with the single highest Corp tax rate on Earth, which we are.

I think Uncle plays corporate America as needed and where it's beneficial. Like the old time Mafia. They were tight allies and worked very closely with during the war to secure the shipping docks....and then attacked to destroy them a couple administrations later, as if that had never happened.

I believe that if Corporate America thinks the Government has any more loyalty to them, than they're showing to international and personal allies alike? They're in for what could be a devastating shock some day. Corporate America, if pissed off, can buy your misery and insure you live it. Uncle Sam can have a platoon of shooters in your corner office, blowing someone out the window into open space, to deliver the same message.

I've never had any misconceptions about where the REAL power is, between Government and Corporate. In a short term fight and shoving match? Corps will be shoved into the Abyss by these current leaders and wished a good trip to the bottom, if needed.
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posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 03:48 PM
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beezzer
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We'll still have insurance companies.

They'll just be backed by the government now. They'll be the "face" of government.


The insurance companies might become the administrators.

Medicare & Medicaid use contractors for administrators on state and federal levels.

The insurance companies work from small margins already.

And remember by law now they must spend 80-85% of the premium money on actual health expenses.

If they don't, they have to issue rebates.

This has been in effect already for a couple of years I think.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 03:50 PM
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If they cared anything for that, the US wouldn't be sitting with the single highest Corp tax rate on Earth, which we are.


Look at effective. With the loopholes, many large corps pay little or nothing. And then there is the large sums off shored.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 04:34 PM
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I wonder if many Americans realize that, basically, we're under a single-payer system now?

That we have, in effect, socialized medicine now.
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posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 04:36 PM
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sheepslayer247
It looks like it would have been a better idea to just implement a single-payer system. That would have made more fiscal sense than this disaster we are now witnessing.

We're paying all this money so that the government can force us to send more money to the insurance companies......sad indeed.


Why the hell does anyone want a single payer ?

Wouldn't stand it if all them evil bankers merged in to the largest monopoly the world has ever seen.

Wouldn't stand it if all them evil big oil merged in to the largest monopoly the world has ever seen.

Only one place to 'shop' ?

No options?

Get screwed oh well ?

That is the sum of 'good' government thinking they can do better than the private sector. When the reality is anything but.

If anything medicaid, and medicare need to be done away with since it costs over 1 trillion dollars, and 'insures' over 100+ million Americans.

Blowing money is about the only thing the US government does well.

And there isn't a damn thing they really have to show for it.

Except that is the largest cluster F the world has ever seen.
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posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 04:39 PM
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You're forgetting single payer does work, in a little place up North of you called Canada.

Well, there's a private portion but that's for stuff like drugs, chiropractors, eye exams, dentists etc.

There is NOTHING wrong with a single payer system. As long as it's well managed and maintained. Our system isn't perfect, but Canada isn't going bankrupt because of it either.

~Tenth



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 04:43 PM
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With all do respect Tenth. I don't live in Canada.

I believe in a free market system. That doesn't mean Free stuff for people. Healthcare is a corporate product just like anything else.

I don't want my government telling me what corporate products I 'need'.

The single payer crapola is just another means of control to hang over peoples heads, and most people who want that use demagoguery to villify anyone who thinks otherwise.

Besides Canada doesn't have anywhere near the population of the US does.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 04:48 PM
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America is just not structured to accept single-payer.

My freedom to opt out is no longer an option.
HIPAA has been thrown out the window with bureaucrats now determining care options.
Taxes will ultimately have to be raised to pay for this.

My health is no longer my responsibility. My health is now under the control of the state. So the state can make determinations as to my salt intake, my smoking, my drinking, my diet.

All because the state now will be paying for it.

You can imagine the justification towards healthcare rationing and quality of life issues that will now be raised because the state will be footing the bill.

This has fundamentally transformed America.



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