Mary's Tilma of 1531 most resembles a color photograph. And can't be replicated...

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posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 12:46 AM
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Yesterday, December 12th was the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe. Jesus' mother appeared to Juan Diago in the year 1531. There are multiple miracles involving Mary's appearing and concerning the marvelous Tilma.

Read about and see the Tilma below. The Tilma has been studied by a lot of scientists in modern times, it is not of this earth.

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According to the specialists of Kodak Corporation in Mexico, the Image is smooth and bears more resemblance to a color photograph than anything else. The Image has consistently defied exact reproduction, whether by brush or camera.
All who have scientifically examined the image of Our Lady over the centuries confess that its properties are absolutely unique and so inexplicable in human terms that the image can only be supernatural:

infallible-catholic.blogspot.com...




posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 12:58 AM
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Is this the link you meant to post? Here



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 12:58 AM
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Links not working, mate.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:00 AM
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kx12x
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Is this the link you meant to post? Here


Thanks for that.


Still looks exactly like a painting to me. I don't understand the specialness of it though?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:04 AM
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kx12x
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Is this the link you meant to post? Here


Yes! Thanks a lot kx12x....



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:20 AM
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samuel1990

kx12x
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Is this the link you meant to post? Here


Thanks for that.


Still looks exactly like a painting to me. I don't understand the specialness of it though?


samuel,

You gotta read the science study and findings on the Tilma. The Tilma doesn't lose color is one wild.

I can share the story briefly of Mary appearing to Juan and about the Tilma. This humble pheasant went to the Bishop and stated Mary had appeared to him.

The Bishop told Juan, "bring me a sign." Mary complied, the next time she appeared to Juan, she
asked him to go and pick some unusual roses blooming in the desert! She told Juan to gather them in his coat (the tilma) and take them to the Bishop.

There in Bishop's office in front of others besides the Bishop, Juan opened his Tilma and the gorgeous
roses fell to the floor. And there on the front of Juan's Tilma was this complicated, amazing image of Mary!!


God bless you,


colbe



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:22 AM
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Sorry but I don't get how the so called experts at Kodak say it looks more like a colour photo than a painting.To me it just looks like a painting done in the style of the claimed time it comes from.Maybe it is a colour photo of an original painting,we've had colour photographs for about 150 years now.Although it would also be surprising if a 150 year old colour photo hadn't faded at all.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:43 AM
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Imagewerx
Sorry but I don't get how the so called experts at Kodak say it looks more like a colour photo than a painting.To me it just looks like a painting done in the style of the claimed time it comes from.Maybe it is a colour photo of an origit50 year old colour photo hadn't faded at all.



The unexplainable about the Tilma is too wild. Kodak, certain scientists have studied it. It does look like
a painting but maybe they mean the actual surface?

I recall, someone damaged it once and the painting repaired itself! Whatever, actually, whoever (the Blessed Trinity) made this image, it is not of this world.

Back in 2009...

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hotair.com...

During her recent visit to Mexico, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton made an unexpected stop at the Basilica of Our Lady of Guadalupe and left a bouquet of white flowers “on behalf of the American people,” ...

The image of Our Lady of Guadalupe was miraculously imprinted by Mary on the tilma, or cloak, of St. Juan Diego in 1531. The image has numerous unexplainable phenomena, such as the appearance on Mary’s eyes (discovered by technology in our time) of those present in the room when the tilma was opened and the image’s lack of decay.

Mrs. Clinton was received on Thursday at 8:15 a.m. by the rector of the Basilica, Msgr. Diego Monroy.

Msgr. Monroy took Mrs. Clinton to the famous image of Our Lady of Guadalupe, which had been previously lowered from its usual altar for the occasion.

After observing it for a while, Mrs. Clinton asked “who painted it?” to which Msgr. Monroy responded “God!”



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:58 AM
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Twenty-two years ago, Aste decided to investigate the presence of other figures reflected in the Virgin's eyes and, in fact, found 12.

On July 31, John Paul II will canonize Indian Juan Diego, the witness of the Guadalupe apparitions, in Mexico.

When the human eye focuses, the objects it is looking at are reflected in its retina. "Right now I am reflected in your eye," Aste explained to an interviewer.

"According to whether the object is close or far, it will be reflected in a larger or smaller size in the ocular globe," he said. "And this is what happens with the eyes of the Virgin of Guadalupe. The image reflected in her two retinas is that of the moment when the Virgin left her imprint on Juan Diego's tilma."

Q: Can these figures be the work of humans?

Aste: No, for three reasons. In the first place, they are not visible to the human eye, except for one: that of the Spaniard, which is the largest. Nobody could have painted such tiny silhouettes.

In the second place, the origin of the pigments of these figures is unknown. The same is true of the Virgin's image. It is not painted, and no one yet knows how it was stamped on Juan Diego's tilma.

Q: And the third?

Aste: The three figures are reproduced in both eyes. What artist would do that? Moreover, their size varies from one eye to the other, according to how close the personage was to the Virgin's left or right eye.

Q: What process did you follow in your experiment?

Aste: First photographs are taken of the eyes. Then they are digitalized. They are read by the computer, enlarged and screened from the images.

Q: Who appears in the eyes?

Aste: There is a virtually naked servant; an elderly man -- Bishop Friar Juan de Zumárraga; a youth -- the interpreter; an Indian with a tilma -- Juan Diego; a black woman -- a slave; a bearded Spaniard; and, lastly, an Indian family including father, mother, three children and two more adults, who could be grandparents or uncles.

Q: How do you know that the other figures correspond to the slave, the interpreter, etc.?

Aste: There is evidence in history. The elderly man who appears in the Virgin's eyes looks very much like the paintings of that period of Bishop Zumárraga. As to the black slave, Zumárraga said in his will that he released her. We also know that she was called Maria. In the Indies Archives there is a record of the bishop's embarkation when he left for the New World.


ATS: The Mysterious Eyes of the Virgin Mary

That's what I immediately thought to do - to check for a close-up of the Tilma, especially around the eyes, to see how detailed it really gets.

When you get to seven figures reflected in them, with correct positioning and sizes mathematically based on the difference in space between the two eyes, that is more like a photograph than a painting.


I would say it's a case closed with a win for paranormal, unless I find out evidence for otherwise.
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posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 03:21 AM
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Good interesting story, that I have never heard of, thanks.

I have one problem, there are some pretty wild claims on that blog.

1. NASA says the colors float above the Tilma
2. Gynecologist can hear heart beats in the Tilma
3. Pupils of the Tilma dialate with light.

Claims that have no source, nothing verifiable from NASA nor from all these specialists... So without sources (official) it's just a story on a blog...

I have tried to look for official sources for these claims, in vain. Only stories on blogs...



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 04:18 AM
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Some of the claims in the article are fantastic. They claim that the tilma has a heartbeat and that it maintains a constant temperature of 98.6 degrees F.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 06:25 AM
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I'm not a disbeliever, but looking at the pics, I don't see the figures, does that mean I'm not a believer, that the vision is only for those that are blessed or something?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 08:04 AM
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Skeptical Inquirer


Recently our findings were confirmed when the Spanish-language magazine Proceso reported the results of a secret study of the Image of Guadalupe. It had been conducted - secretly - in 1982 by art restoration expert José Sol Rosales. Rosales examined the cloth with a stereomicroscope and observed that the canvas appeared to be a mixture of linen and hemp or cactus fiber. It had been prepared with a brush coat of white primer (calcium sulfate), and the image was then rendered in distemper (i.e., paint consisting of pigment, water, and a binding medium). The artist used a “very limited palette,” the expert stated, consisting of black (from pine soot), white, blue, green, various earth colors ("tierras”), reds (including carmine), and gold. Rosales concluded that the image did not originate supernaturally but was instead the work of an artist who used the materials and methods of the sixteenth century (El Vaticano 2002).


more at the source



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 11:02 AM
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that picture is uncool...

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posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 12:15 PM
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what pic?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:07 PM
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the one I viewed on Wiki.. downloaded and gazed at awhile. Lady of Tilma?

that is my feeling which it evokes



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:26 PM
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Visiting the Tilma is one of the things I'd love to be able to do at some time in my life.
I'll not be able to do that ... but I wish I could.

That being said, science has not been able to figure out how it got there.
People from 1500 couldn't pull off a prank that could baffle science like that.
It stands as a miracle to me unless it can be proven otherwise.
A true gift to humanity.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:46 PM
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from your link:

It had been prepared with a brush coat of white primer (calcium sulfate), and the image was then rendered in distemper (i.e., paint consisting of pigment, water, and a binding medium). The artist used a “very limited palette,” the expert stated, consisting of black (from pine soot), white, blue, green, various earth colors ("tierras”), reds (including carmine), and gold. Rosales concluded that the image did not originate supernaturally but was instead the work of an artist who used the materials and methods of the sixteenth century (El Vaticano 2002).

In addition, new scholarship (e.g. Brading 2001) suggests that, while the image was painted not long after the Spanish conquest and was alleged to have miraculous powers, the pious legend of Mary’s appearance to Juan Diego may date from the following century. Some Catholic scholars, including the former curator of the basilica Monsignor Guillermo Schulemburg, even doubt the historical existence of Juan Diego. Schulemburg said the canonization of Juan Diego would be the “recognition of a cult” (Nickell 1997).


Personally I think the images in the eyes look like nothing at all, just what all painters did to eyes to help them live, if you look at some close up.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:47 PM
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FlyersFan
Visiting the Tilma is one of the things I'd love to be able to do at some time in my life.
I'll not be able to do that ... but I wish I could.

That being said, science has not been able to figure out how it got there.
People from 1500 couldn't pull off a prank that could baffle science like that.
It stands as a miracle to me unless it can be proven otherwise.
A true gift to humanity.



Could you provide the scientific studies please? I can't find them only religious references.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:52 PM
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it'll more than likely be a replica.. that's the way of the world.

Hillary may have seen the real deal though?





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