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reply to post by Wrabbit2000
But the question remains, if the sculptors learned this craft to create these 800 statues, why didn't they pass their techniques down to their apprentices? Why isn't this art widespread throughout ancient China throughout the various dynasties? It just seems odd that these sculptors would go through such painstaking lessons to learn a sculpting technique, only to NOT preserve it for future generations to utilize.
It just seems to make more sense that it was learned from outside the empire and was considered such an embarrassment, that after the first emperor died, they sealed the technique with the 8000 statues and just left it at that.
...The only resemblance I see between Greek art of the time and the Warriors is they're both bipedal humanoid figures in relief. The similarity ends there, I believe.
Second... Every single one of the 8,000 faces is unique and individual. One of the strangest details of the story for these and one aspect that makes it unlike anything Ancient Greece or Rome produced in the way of sculpture or art. These weren't art. They represented a battle force for the Emperor in the next life, as the strongest theory I've heard....
Last.. These things are Creepy with a BIG C. I mean it more than strictly figuratively too. Something I have never been able to put my finger on about these.. Even the scale mock-up the PRC puts on at the China Segment of Epcot is creepy and the artifacts resonate with it.
I have no idea what the men who found this felt. Not saw..not recorded as scientists, but actually felt in their Souls when they fully grasped the scene they had first encountered when any of this was visible. I'd love to hear it..and something tells me, that question wouldn't need elaboration for the men that were there to know precisely what was being asked about. Those things just..vibrate with weird.
Wrabbit2000 Those things just..vibrate with weird.
I'd debated whether to share this or not, but since others get that weird feeling as well?
What I felt around the real artifacts and mock-ups at Epcot was weird... We'd gone at the off time for attendance so it was very light for other people. Not a mob scene by any stretch and gave some room to focus and take in what China has created there for their national display.
It was like a presence..but not. Like an energy around those things..but not actually. Hard to describe... almost like echos of something very strong and very powerful (would HAVE to have been) still carried by artifacts. I dunno... It's very hard to describe, but I wonder if some here recognize what I'm trying to articulate?
reply to post by SLAYER69
This guy was so obsessed with power he built the Great Wall, so fearful of death he sought out immortality and may have colonized Japan as a by product of his beliefs. I know he sought out some ancient wizard to help ensure he lived forever, and i know he searched for the Elixir of Life. So i kinda doubt someone of this man's mentality would go to the time and expense of having 12 giant statues carved before his palace as anything but a warning, or a threat.
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reply to post by Klassified
I wouldn't say I'm the educated one.. I'm fresh from a course so it's all still in immediate memory, is about what I can say for it.
I suppose inspired is possible.. What bugs me though, is simply this. China had a number of major inventions a very long time before Europe knew they existed. Gun Powder was only one thing China came up with and wasn't at all interested in sharing or spreading to anyone but themselves. They were, in ways, an extremely closed society ...In ways, anyway.
So, I read through the story and I could not, for the life of me, find a connection where this started and someone said "uhhh.. hey..guys? These might be related!". It honestly read more like a Westerner looking at Chinese culture and saying, "Okay, how did Western methods and outcomes get to China?". Hmm... It's actually possible they came up with it all on their own, is my thought.
The 8,000 of them is also staggering..and what many accounts don't detail is that it isn't JUST 8,000 Warriors standing at attention like an endless parade ground. It was a full battle force of the time, with versions of their various weapons and platforms as well, such as they had them.
So thats really why I stepped back a bit. I just didn't see the Ah-Ha connection...even at the end and looking back...for a natural connection, let alone assuming one direction vs. the other.
reply to post by SLAYER69
China's history from about 500 (or so) years ago to it's first emperor, is often found to be less than revealing. One example? The 'Forbidden City' was just wayyy off limits even during periods of the 20th century.
And it's not just China. Japan is cloaked in mystique as well, with an emperor-ship that was regarded as part deity up until the end of WW2. In fact, in the 19th century, the US basically had to force this nation to open just a few doors to the west. In retrospect, one might disagree with the tactic but it is history and there is a lesson.
Back to China, there is also the story of a great admiral and a great fleet that sallied forth across the Indian and Pacific Oceans to spread China's influence and culture. Moreover, many relics found today in certain areas of South America simply reek of Oriental cultural connection.
Ancient Greece was a very important influence upon the world. That China was in contact with them at the time, is by no means out of the question. It is, in all point of fact, just one more statement of how much we don't know about how we got here today.
edit on 13-12-2013 by redoubt because: typo repair (bill enclosed lol)
Painters often worked in collective workshops, generally under the supervision of one ‘master’ potter (which suggests form was actually more important than decoration for the Greeks). Although artists were free from centralised political control or restrictions, they no doubt were driven by the market demand for particular styles, subjects, and fashions. Many potters and artists were prolific in their output and in some cases over 200 vases may be attributed to a single artist. The majority of pottery workers would have been paid no more than any other manual labourer and a good vase probably cost only a day’s wages. Certainly though, a few artists would have been in great demand and their goods were sold not only locally but far and wide throughout the Mediterranean. Potters themselves sometimes relocated to other cities, particularly colonies, often taking with them their regional style. There was also some rivalry between artists as indicated by one signed comment on a vase, “better than Euphronias could ever have done”.