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Why do you assume they are not here already?
reply to post by AliceBleachWhite
You know Alice your post might have far more assumptions it seems.
You assume our little galaxy is not filled with life or it seems that you assumd we are the only intelligent life in it.
You either assume that humans are the most advanced or you assume other civilizations no matter how much older or how much more knowledge they have are not ever able to find answers to travelling such vast distances. (This assumption is far fetched considering that even we have theories being tested right now that might solve that issue such as warp drive)
You also assume for us to have a real chance at contact we must occupy our entire galaxy. That seems the craziest notion of all especially considering we keep learning the chances for finding life even in our own tiny little solar system are getting higher and higher. With possible flowing water on mars and possible water geysers on that icy moon (going blank on name). The chances of us finding life beyond earth keep increasing the more we learn in our own tiny litle solar system.
reply to post by CaticusMaximus
We are so far from ready, its not even funny.
reply to post by ItDepends
chances of them finding us in this deserted little corner of one tiny little galaxy is slim to none. that's why it makes more sense that they were already here to begin with and decided to make a new species (us!) to help them do their work and build beautiful and gigantic structures all over the planet and then maybe felt guilty that creating a self-aware species was a tricky endeavor and created all sorts of moral dilemmas for them so they decided to take a backseat and let us little humans fend for ourselves but we are pretty stupid and lazy and need them to help us here and there along the way? why not that scenario?
reply to post by AliceBleachWhite
Many more assumptions there and all not very supportable. Look at us right now with our extremely limited knowledge, yet we have discovered thousands of extra solar planets. We have imaged and determined atmosphere on some. Now (granted this is an assumption but contuing from yours) imagine a more advanced civilization able to travel vast distances quickly. A civilization like that will not need to visit every star to gather information. They would be able to scan or possibly directly image planents 100s even 1000s of light years away. When they discover something interesting (such as life) they would then spend resaources to visit.
No one said all life is definitely going to evolve or develop intelligence. We are living proof that life can develop intelligence though and assuming we are so special among the extreme vastness of the universe is quite conceded.
On the other hand no one could say if given the right circumstances dinosaurs couldnt evolve intelligence. Maybe they would have at a different speed and vastly slower than us. Than it would be possible for other lifeforms to develop vastly faster than us.
Any assumption of a limit to knowledge, development and technology is greatly short sighted. Throughout history those with limited imagination have tried to state things as facts regarding possible development. We would never develop flight at one point, we would never exit our atmosphere and we would never visit the moon. If those people would have been taken at their word and as absolute fact then the only limit we would have seen is what we imposed on ourselves.
For, of course, if any intelligent race could arrive at the Tipler argument and conclude that it must be so easy to colonize the Galaxy that the absence of any colonizing probes meant that the newly intelligent race must be alone, and destined to take over the Universe by remote control, any slightly more intelligent race could quickly come to the conclusion that if such idiots were likely to launch unrestricted self-replicating robots onto the Galaxy, it wouldn't be long before all the material in the Galaxy were converted...
There has never been a civilization on earth that didn't display cruelty in one shape or form.
why must we assume another civilization on another planet would be different?
So where're they? They have the means to be here, but aren't.