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The Reason for no Disclosure?

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posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 01:01 PM
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Well the word 'prove' is a tough one. We haven't even 'proved' gravity
yet you know. It's been demonstrated that the gravitational constant
changed at some point.

Really we can't 'prove' anything. Even 1=1 is not absolutely certain,
as what if we are in a perfect simulation and the base world behind
the simulation has laws such that 1 does not equal 1 ?

So do you think that humans have been undergoing some mass
group delusion for 200,000 years or whatever? There are multiple
'ufo sighthings' every day of the year somewhere.. people get
radiation sickness sometimes.. nuclear missiles get turned off
sometimes.. there certainly seems to be *something* going on.
Or is it all swamp gas and the planet venus?

KPB




posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 01:12 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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Yes, 'this shaman' understands instinctively something about
'ascension'. I wouldn't talk about it using that term or the
terms usually used. In fact I wouldn't talk about it, as this
kind of talk generally leads to self-delusion.


There are ways, methods to avoid the "pitfalls". Science and mathematics help a very great deal.




Those 'channeled entities' are liars and those 'esoteric systems' are
corrupted.


Yes "channeled entities" are frequently either liars or the "channeler" themselves. The prime reason I don't go there. There are methods, techniques that allow one to establish contact with non-terrestrials, that are both safe, and reliable. There are methods and technique to verify the truth and reality of both the "message" and the sender. These are all very old, time honored methods of my esoteric school. And, not all esoteric systems are corrupt, and typically the "corruption" found in esoteric systems is not in the body of knowledge, or the teachings, it is not so much in the fundamental philosophy of the system; but rather in the individuals who participate in the system and are responsible for "management".



You don't know if it's 'appear' or 'is'.

But that's a generic problem we have here on Earth.

Thanks for further sharing your position.

KPB



Actually that was an attempt to "soften" what I'm trying to say. Kind of like "political correctness". But if you like; The Human form is the endpoint of evolution on the physical plane, and ascension to the mental/energetic planes is the next logical step in human evolution. Further that any other species, no matter how "human" like he is, is incapable of this "final" evolutionary step, and must evolve into Human first.

Terrestrials are very fortunate in that they started off as Humans. Greys, Reptilians, other humanoids are still evolving toward what you already are. Any many of you think you are trailing in the dust of ET. incredible.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:05 PM
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You sound like you are a member of the one organization
I have my size 12 foot up the back side of. The one
organization who is especially part of the new world order.

Perhaps I'm wrong.

But in any case, I'm not interested in walking your path.

If you find value in your path, then great. I wish you the
very best in your journey and all the happiness and
ascension in the world.

And I never act against individuals, no matter who they
are.. so I'm not your enemy. I'm not even the enemy of
that one organization I'm speaking about.. but it would
be helpful if they would grow up and get over their
ancient delusions of grandeur.

KPB



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:05 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
there certainly seems to be *something* going on.
Or is it all swamp gas and the planet venus?


As I said..people that want to believe will..and don't get me wrong.. i want to me their is no tangible proof other than people's story, second hand accounts, shaky videos, blurry pics..

If people want to believe then great..more power to them..I personally at this point need something tangible..as I have said in many other posts here. I was a huge Cooper fan..saw him lecture in person and tape multiple times..watched the STS videos ..read all the roswell books..supported UFO magazine..saw multiple other names in the field lecture, insert some other reference to UFOs here..

coming through all that..I have not seen 1 single piece of proof that is irrefutable so for me I want 1 thing that can't be explained as possibly something else.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:07 PM
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So the disclosure of the british MOD means nothing to you?
The military reports of UFOs turning off their ICBM's is too
'swamp gassy' for you? The radar locks; the missile locks;
the radiation sickness.. none of that has ANY significance
whatsoever?

I'm not saying that aliens and ET's is necessarily is the
answer.. in fact I dont' 'believe' in either of those per se.
But it's all swamp gas and mass hysteria? Really?



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:14 PM
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So the disclosure of the british MOD means nothing to you?

What did they disclose ?



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:27 PM
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There are a lot of links on the internet about it.
Lots of commentaries on it.

This is the report name:

‘Unidentified Aerial Phenomena in the UK Defence Region: Executive Summary’, pub. 2001 by the Defence Intelligence Analysis Staff of the MoD (unclassified).

I think a highly redacted copy is here:

documents.theblackvault.com...

It's really hard to read.

Here's a good commentary on it:

www.ufocasebook.com...

There are some links I find highly interesting that mention related things
and they mention the report itself and other related resources:

ufophenomenon.weebly.com...

There are a lot of links and commentaries out there.

KPB



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:43 PM
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KellyPrettyBear

Perhaps I'm wrong.


In this instance; yes, in all respects.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 02:46 PM
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opethPA

As I said..people that want to believe will..and don't get me wrong.. i want to me their is no tangible proof other than people's story, second hand accounts, shaky videos, blurry pics..


And then of course there are the soil samples, metal samples, DNA, and other physical trace. But, you prolly don't see those, many don't, some refuse.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 03:02 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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We've functionally had something approaching disclosure since 2001. It makes me smile how this public unclassified credible report by an intermediate world power (they have nukes afterall) is so disregarded because it's an inconvenient truth.
Well a highly credible hypothesis at least.



Hi

That's not how I read the MoD's responses. From what I can gather, they seem to be saying that plasma balls are possible and unexplained, perhaps from atmospheric conditions like lightning, but as they pose no defense risk they will not investigate further. I can't find the paper that claims plasma balls morph into solid craft.
There has been no disclosure from the UK government via the Ministry of Defence, that I can see.

But as far as your theory goes, yes it would make sense that if this phenomenon were real it would cause major upheavals to society and religion, probably causing mass panic and confusion.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 04:10 PM
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tanka418

KellyPrettyBear

Perhaps I'm wrong.


In this instance; yes, in all respects.


You say that to nearly everyone who you have
a conversation with. It's a pattern I've noticed.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 04:19 PM
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Well for whatever reason all the people citing them as a reference
are describing things completely differently than that. I'm going
to keep researching this angle.

This one for example has the MOD saying that apparently these
phenomenon can affect the temporal lobe of humans;

www.ufocasebook.com...

This is one quote:




He finds merit
in the theory that plasmas or earthlights may explain a range
of close-encounter and even “alien abduction” experiences.
The report says that on rare occasions plasmas can cause
responses in the temporal-lobe area of the human brain,
leading observers to suffer extended memory retention and
repeat experiences.


That's pretty refreshing honesty; doesn't sound even a little
like 'swamp gas' and 'the planet venus'

KPB



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 04:30 PM
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There are a lot of links and commentaries out there.

Indeed there are but none of them amount to disclosure , the MoD released case files that don't add up to anything more than people see stuff in the sky or have strange experiences , this we already know.

The files were released not as part of any disclosure but to save time and money from repeated FOIA requests.

There were a number of reasons why the MoD decided to release these files. The main one was that once the UK’s Freedom of Information Act came fully into force, the MoD found that it was receiving more FOI requests on UFOs than on any other subject. Releasing the files en masse and sending them to the UK National Archives meant the MoD could avoid responding to the hundreds of people making these FOI requests on a case-by-case basis, which was becoming an administrative nightmare.


The reaction of the UFO community has been interesting. True believers have bemoaned the lack of a ‘smoking gun’ and suggested that the program is disinformation, or that “all the good stuff is being held back”.
ufodigest.com...


There will be no Government disclosure either for the reasons I mentioned earlier or because there's nothing to disclose ... I hope it's for the former rather than the latter.


edit on 14-12-2013 by gortex because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 04:52 PM
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Well that's good to know, thanks.

FYI, I don't even 'believe in humans' per se ****, so whether
'aliens' exist is absolutely irrelevant to me.

*** don't take that too literally.. I'm just saying that I don't
keep boundaries in my mind that can't move instantly.

But I do love to learn about new things.. and find new
patterns which may or may not turn out to be true.

KPB



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 07:21 PM
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tanka418
And then of course there are the soil samples, metal samples, DNA, and other physical trace. But, you prolly don't see those, many don't, some refuse.


Send me 1 single link to any of those that prove that intelligent alien life is or has visited this planet.



posted on Dec, 14 2013 @ 07:46 PM
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The primary reason for no disclosure is all about free energy.

The one thing those in power fear most is all of us having all the energy we need at our disposal.

They disclose the truth of the alien presence they will have to explain how they manage to operate and that would open the pandora's box of free energy. They could care less about the religious or psychological impact, its all about power and control.



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 08:22 AM
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KellyPrettyBear

tanka418

KellyPrettyBear

Perhaps I'm wrong.


In this instance; yes, in all respects.


You say that to nearly everyone who you have
a conversation with. It's a pattern I've noticed.


I do?

Well, while I think the record would not bare that out.

Maybe the "uniqueness" in everyone should be considered. I like you am way more than y'all can see on the surface.



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 08:39 AM
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opethPA

tanka418
And then of course there are the soil samples, metal samples, DNA, and other physical trace. But, you prolly don't see those, many don't, some refuse.


Send me 1 single link to any of those that prove that intelligent alien life is or has visited this planet.


Here, its not quite what I'd like... but:
Peter Khoury case shows some DNA work.
This guy claims his DNA isn't Terrestrial.
The StarChild skullis another.

There are literally 1000's of other cases of physical trace; do a search.



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 01:26 PM
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Given the amount of subjects (beyond aliens and UFOs) that the United States government has been covering up since the early 1900's - I feel any inkling of the wrong information being disclosed would create a "domino effect" of further questions and skepticism of the above mentioned administration.

Using The Roswell Incident in 1947 as an example, I personally see no reason why any information collected should still be "classified." That being said, I would recommend anyone who isn't familiar with our government's "classification review" process pick up Stanton Friedman's Report on MJ-12 or search it out for themselves. The exemptions for declassification are ridiculous.

Many people have said certain disclosures would create mass hysteria, but I tend to disagree. Also, the idea that religious institutions would crumble is also a bit alarmist.

P.S. New member here! I hope this is a start of a wonderful, thought-provoking adventure with all of the fellow members on the ATS board.



posted on Dec, 15 2013 @ 02:00 PM
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Hi there Cosma! Welcome to ATS!

So I'm guessing you think there is something worth disclosing, being kept hidden?



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