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Hawaiian Official Who Released Obama's Birth Certificate Dies In Crash

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posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:18 AM
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whywhynot
did she leave the real proof of birth for O with someone in case she turned up dead one day??? It could get interesting.


Yes, it is in the Hawaiian State files - do you want to see a copy of it? It is readily available on the internet.




posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:57 AM
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They just kinda fall out of the air on a regular basis for all kinds of reasons.
yep, same as ever.
those sky marshalls don't seem to be having the impact promoted, do they ?

not engaging the rest of the nonsense posted.
Obama's personal publicist promoted his Kenyan heritage, long before any of this subsequent drama developed.

believe what you will but i have several 1960s BCs and i am positive what's been shown/seen is not legitimate.

as for your other questions, maybe, maybe not, time will tell.

do share, what about this incident is a 'serious' issue for Obama?
watching him skate on soooo many serious issues ... from the Beer Summit to Benghazi, what makes you think any of the serious issues would produce any different result ??

personally, i'd find the tales of his Butler much more interesting



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:07 AM
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I'd forgotten you still followed the Birther line.

I'm sorry.. I'll drop that here then as it's about as productive a debate anymore as abortion. Each side has a position and God himself, let alone factual statement or evidence won't back anyone off what they're positive they know.

Have a good night and take care on all that.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:33 AM
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I'm officially off the indecision fence. I've been patiently waiting to see if someone involved in this mess would end up dead. Lo' and behold.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:37 AM
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Char-Lee

ignorant_ape
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does anything have a naturalistic explaination any more ?


Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. I like to know people are watching these things. Personally I can't see the connections here since she verified FOR him the birth.


"Fuddy hit the headlines two years ago when she approved a waiver request allowing Obama to access certified copies of his birth certificate, signed by the delivery doctor, Obama's mother and the local registrar.


Still if she had duped the certificate and verification for him she would be a loose link and waiting a few years so it looks natural would have been wise.


^ yep. I told my husband, if anyone comes up dead in this, it will be down the road and not right away. Can't have it looking to obvious. Unfortunately, it looks obvious. I'm not a birther, but I'm off the fence now and ready to look closer at all of it.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:39 AM
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i don't 'follow' any particular line other than that which leads to the truth

(as for the document mentioned, there is no doubt in my mind that it is a fraudulent representation of whatever facts may be available)

is there some surrepticious or spurious point to the personal attack you brought forth ?

just wondering cause i really don't follow this incidious nonsense.
enjoy your delusion and all that, k ?

the simple fact that Ms Fuddy is/was a participant in the fraud perpetuated on the American public is a bonus.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:50 AM
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if you make good on your word, pay attention to a little phrase printed on all legitimate BCs (from that time period) that simply infers that any modification of the original is a punishable offense.

it was modified, she verified and punishment has been applied.
the rest is fluff.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 03:58 AM
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Obozo rose from the ranks of CIA agents, from his mother - he is not an official us citizen - and has been involved in covert blackmail, for many us officials - see the homosexual philandering he has done -

This is in your face - US blackmail and illegal money laundering and fleecing of the american taxpayers -

See the happy photos of the obamas and bushes in the air force one jet over to south africa for the meeting of the 91 illumanati of the world.

We have all been stolen from, used, lied to - and they are destroying our planet as we sit and think to our selves?

Did this woman get killed for lying to the people who were paying her?

There is no honor amongst thieves.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 04:18 AM
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Happy1
Obozo rose from the ranks of CIA agents, from his mother - he is not an official us citizen - and has been involved in covert blackmail, for many us officials - see the homosexual philandering he has done -


You left out his sex change operation, his head transplant, his trips to Mars and his alien technology knees.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 04:22 AM
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Honor, there was absolutely no personal attack there. I have lost all respect for the position and the argument. That doesn't extend to the people in a debate, but it is difficult to keep my contempt for the overall debate from showing through sometimes.

This one is a tad personal because once upon a time I was a Birther with a capital B...then found all the FOIA documents (I.E... Source material) that showed everything which really happened from the 60's and 70's with little Barack (or Barry as paperwork had him in Jakarta), his mother, step-father and biological father. Since Lolo and Barack Sr. each had a totally unrelated and separate immigration case running the full distance for process, at roughly the same time, it makes for a stereo type reading on things they overlapped with for commonality. Like...the American child. Which is how he is, at all times, referred to in the original material from the time period.

That all came out in 2010. It's been in the public record for 3 years. Yet what comes as more credible proof are snippets from articles when Barack was a no one or a publicist who screwed up somewhere? Pictures of him dressed in Somali Tribal clothing from long ago? (I've seen and helped debunk that one a couple times)

Is Barack really, as the argument would have us believe, SO important and absolutely critical as an INDIVIDUAL MAN, that every major world power would bow to him and consent he be President....every American Politician would figuratively bow to him and permit themselves to be ruled by an imposter....and the public ..?

Well, it's just a bit much. After all, if bloggers on websites "KNOW" he isn't American, those I list above knew and know it too...and chose, actively, to help cover it up by their silence. That is what that WHOLE position is saying, 5 years into his Presidency.

Now what is really interesting for the debate itself is that many, if not most of those still saying Barack is pulling the world's largest scam in plain site, for his own personal benefit, are also the folks who insist the American Presidents are interchangeable, all corrupt, and meaningless in the end as to which sits in the chair. I always wonder why the mutually exclusive nature of those things cannot be seen? He can't be THAT critical as the individual...yet have no meaning as a specific President.

The man is an American....but this is one heck of a distraction and he loves it to death. That's the only explanation I can think of for why he released everything asked for in 2010, except school records, yet never made a major public issue of it. Still doesn't. He loves seeing people use a non-story to fight like cats over....knowing it is a 100% dead ender, and always will be.

What it distracts attention from isn't dead ending ...so this whole debate has become like a Godsend for Obama, IMO. It's meant to hurt him, but strategically, it's a great help, IMHO.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 04:43 AM
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Not sure if it's been pointed out but i found also this:
"No emergency calls were received from the pilot of the stricken aircraft, and the accident was called in by another pilot who had spotted debris in the sea, Khon 2 reported. "

And of course donald trump tweeted
"How amazing, the State Health Director who verified copies of Obama’s “birth certificate” died in plane crash today. All others lived"



man i don't know what to think here. can it happen? of course it can.
But it would be one hell of a coincidence



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 04:59 AM
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IShotMyLastMuse
man i don't know what to think here. can it happen? of course it can.
But it would be one hell of a coincidence


Just think, if she had survived the plane crash the birther loonies would be shouting
"Assassination attempt failed!!!!!!"



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 05:18 AM
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You're not far off..... This is on the current HuffPo results and posted there last night.

Birther Movement Capitalizes On Loretta Fuddy's Tragic Death

It didn't take media long to pick up on the trend. I just hope folks remember it was real 65 year old woman with a family and friends. I mean in general...



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 05:56 AM
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Does anyone else remember a time when accidents happened? I realize that the Illuminati now sanctions and approves all "Accidental" deaths on the planet, but I remember a time when it wasn't always safe to fly in a small plane over the ocean, or speed recklessly on residential streets.

Am I the only one old enough to remember back in the good-ole-days when "Stuff Happened" sometimes?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 06:03 AM
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Aisling
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I'm officially off the indecision fence. I've been patiently waiting to see if someone involved in this mess would end up dead. Lo' and behold.


If you waited long enough, someone was surely to die ... that is what happens, people die. A 65 year old woman's tragic death in a plane crash in the Hawaiian islands with no good place to do an emergency landing, not to mention the mortality rate for small plane crashes in general, regardless of age, is not as crazy and far fetched as some other deaths we've had in the past couple years.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Sometimes, people die. I don't plan to convince you otherwise though, I'm not here to tell you what to think; in fact, part of me believes you made up your mind long ago because your statement left only confirmation of your suspicions. If she had passed away to natural causes next week or 10 years from now, she still would've been 'someone involved in this mess ending up deceased'.

There was no conditions of your position to have made you decide everything was as it is claimed to be. Eventual confirmation of foul play is the only answer from people who took that position.

'I will know it was all a hoax if -something inevitable' happens' '-something inevitable- happened, it must've been a hoax!'

Here, I'll help you ... 'This guy must be a shill if he takes another breath' ... I took a breath 'He is a shill!!!' Doesn't matter that I'm not, I had no hope of not proving you right unless I died before my next breath. You know who else did this type of stuff? Salem witch trials. If you drown, you are innocent, if you float, you are a witch and will be burned at the stake. The person loses no matter what, simply because a mob in a witch hunt needs [s]confirmation to seek[/s] justification for the blood they crave.
edit on 12/13/13 by FreeThinkerIdealist because: clarification



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 06:09 AM
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Deetermined
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Any word yet on why she was the only one out of 9 people that never made it out of the plane? All of the others were rescued outside of the plane with life jackets on. I haven't seen anything yet stating where she was seated in the plane. I'm going to guess the sole person in the very back? Waiting to see if she had a heart attack during the ordeal.


She was a little old lady. They often die as a result of slipping in the bathtub. This was a freakin' plane crash. WTF?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 06:10 AM
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I am disappointed. I was sure someone would have suggested that maybe she faked her Death Certificate or that survivors were Jimmy the Fish, Johnny the Squirrel, Eric the Half A Bee,...

But seriously, I seem to recall a story of a plane that went down in the Pacific during WWII and the sole survivor was a young man named George H.W. Bush. Of the four man crew, 2 died in battle and the third died when his chute failed to open. Bush was on a raft for awhile with fighters circling overhead until rescued by a sub.

As for Fuddy, I guess we will have to wait for the reports as to what happened to see if there is anything odd about her death.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 06:17 AM
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As for Fuddy, I guess we will have to wait for the reports as to what happened to see if there is anything odd about her death.


As it so happens..... I just found that very thing. AP Wire carried it a short time ago. It's not inappropriate and told in a respectful way, IMO. I thought it something important to share then I caught your note here, and it fits all the better.


The next passenger Peer tried to save, Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy, was not responsive and he couldn't find a pulse.

"It was not a good feeling," he said.

In the final moments of her life before rescuers arrived, Fuddy clung to the hand of her deputy while floating in the water.



"He recounted how he said he helped Loretta into her life jacket and he held her hand for some time," the priest said. "They were all floating together and she let go and there was no response from her."
Source

There is always a human side to a story. I suppose that could be said to be the side for this one.

From what I've read about her in the media, she sounded like a great lady with more than just the one document to be remembered for.

Rest In Peace.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 06:18 AM
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I have lost all respect for the position and the argument.
be that as it may, why ??

nvm, no thread drift intended.

however,

there was absolutely no personal attack there
perhaps this

you still followed the Birther line
was received in a manner it wasn't intended.

with regard to this particular subject matter, i don't 'follow' any line.

i do know the truth and will continue to share it, regardless what anyone else 'says' ... the document is available for anyone to see for themselves, the rest is a no-brainer.

i do not understand your contempt for the truth or those sharing it.
be that as it may, i'm not one to dissuade you from the delusion or the 'package deal' you seem to have accepted. enjoy.

this is not the thread to review details beyond Ms Fuddy's assertion and subsequent consequence.

why are you re-asserting points that are of no significance and serve only to cloud very clear facts ?

as for this ...

and chose, actively, to help cover it up by their silence. That is what that WHOLE position is saying, 5 years into his Presidency
in the spirit of patterned behavior, i offer Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Carter and a whole slew of others, what makes Obama any less slimy than those before him ?

i don't believe you could produce any statement i've made that even resembles what you said here

if not most of those still saying Barack is pulling the world's largest scam in plain site, for his own personal benefit,
and, i would never infer it was all for his own personal benefit, he just isn't that big a player in the game.

The man is an imposter and on some days, even his humanistic qualities are questionable.

i never said i know anything about his current or prior citizenship status, however, i do KNOW the document presented is less than legitimate and absolutely 'altered' and that, my friend, i also KNOW is a punishable offense.
(it even says so right on the 'legitimate' forms)

good or bad for him is of no concern to me ... bad for the country, as a whole, does concern me and every other conscientious American.

at first sight, both the short and long form submissions garnered this verbal response ... OMG, that is sooooo fake, surely ppl aren't blind enough to believe it.

much to my dismay, an awful lot of ppl seem to be.

hey man, to each their own.
'filters' or in this case, 'blinders' are a funny thing, aren't they ?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 06:21 AM
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Did this woman get killed for lying to the people who were paying her?

Happy, i dare not guess the 'why', does it really matter ?

all i will say is this administration sure is sloppy compared to those before it.



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