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Hawaiian Official Who Released Obama's Birth Certificate Dies In Crash

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posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 04:06 PM
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Zaphod58
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And its the absolute worst way to send a message.


Please tell me more about how to send messages the government way.

You seem to have a lot to say and not a lot of evidence to back up your claims.
One guy has said he thinks Obama is involved and you have gone 100% the other way, you're just as bad, blindly defending.

Yes, yes, you are a pilot or an aerodynamics expert (or both), planes do crash BUT I have never heard anyone discredit a plane crash/hit so quick, do you have information no one else is privvy too? Like cause of death? Because the rest lived. Sure someone once inflated there life jacket inside and drowned, some people have heart attacks on planes it DOES NOT mean that happened here.




posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 04:08 PM
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You do realize that professional political assasinations are carried out with the goal of it looking like something else happened, right?



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 04:10 PM
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from the linky in the OP..



USA Today writes that "the plane, with a pilot and eight passengers aboard, went down Wednesday in the water off the Hawaiian island of Molokai, the Maui Fire Department said." The others on board survived.


what are the odds .. ?
logic never fails.. sorry I've flown in 2 seats before and a couple of prop jets and some jet airliners... this more than likely a prop-jet, for island hopping......their term 'went down' doesn't have much detail in it.. now does it.. they leave it up to us to speculate on the details..

so the pilot & co-pilot survived and all 7 other passengers.. except .....

just say'n .. and no need to state the obvious !!!!



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 04:12 PM
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cuckooold

xuenchen
Maybe she was all ready to "testify" before Congress.

I bet somebody missed a payment and she threatened to "talk".



Or maybe she was scheduled to "meet" with the Sheriff's Posse.

Very odd "coincidence" indeed.



If we're going to indulge in hypothesis and hyperbole, maybe there were extreme right-wing elements who wanted her out if the way because she is standing in the way of making up some bs with forged documentation to go along with it 'proving' Obama is not an American.
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Could be, but the next official would be standing in the way too.

She may have been ready (or threatening) to disclose things like this;

Perhaps information like:

1. Obama could be an adopted orphan child (possibly foreign born).

2. The birth certificate "information" may be incomplete. Perhaps missing one or two key things like an indication that it was "amended" or "produced" by a court order that would have been sealed (all adoption records get sealed).

Strange also is that all the bogus court cases have never focused on that possibility.

Why?

Because they need to show cause before a sealed adoption can be "unsealed". Very difficult.

Many times the adoptee can't even get into those records. Usually only medical reasons make it "just" cause, and even then some information is still suppressed.

Also, I don't think they ever produced the actual original document. They only produced the supposedly correct information on a new blank form in new format (short and long).

The "original" original might indicate an adoption, and THAT could be what's been the "missing Link" all along.

Hawaii had some loose rules on all this back in those days and so did the federal rules for making that kind of situation a "naturalized" citizen.

And of course, the question becomes "can a foreign born adoptee" be a "natural born citizen" ?


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posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 04:14 PM
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So you think sending a message where you have survivors, and your target may survive is a good way to send a message?

Small planes crash. A number of them crashed when I lived out there. But what kind of message was sent when you have a plane crash with survivors, that can report something weird?



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 04:20 PM
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How often do we have a lot of details less than 24 hours after a crash?



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 04:50 PM
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Well the only reason to kill her is if she was lying about Obama's BC (tie up loose ends and all) but it is interesting everyone else survived.

But you're right, it doesn't at all look like foul play and seems legit.
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posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 05:11 PM
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As I speculated they're saying she never got out. Either she was unconscious and couldn't, or she panicked and inflated her vest too soon and got trapped.



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 05:14 PM
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Yeah it could be all of the above it's just interesting she died and everyone else made it. Of course this will be conspiracy to some, this is a conspiracy site after all.



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 05:27 PM
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There were a couple crashes out there when I lived there where that happened. Usually it was someone panicking.



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 05:30 PM
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But that's just it, it could be anything, including the simplest explanation, that there is no conspiracy.

As Zaphod58 said, why bother with a plane crash involving 8 others when an assassination, heart attack, or some other form of termination which would be easier to achieve.


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posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 06:12 PM
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IAMTAT
I don't know...I'm beginning to wonder whether an administration that can't even construct a working website with $1B...is actually capable of successfully performing a hit that looks like an accident.


The administration isn't is charge silly, not for a long time, so do be careful if you pull back the curtain, there is monsters there.



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 06:54 PM
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If someone you never heard of had a little article in the newspaper "Plane crashed, all but 1 survived" (I'm not a journalist, obviously.), would you even notice? I doubt it. Because she has a connection to the government it does not mean that her death has to be suspicious.

What if she died of old age? She was poisoned?.. She lived to 84 and now maybe (very important word in random conspiracies) she wanted to talk so they killed her...

Again, there's nothing wrong with questioning things, but there's a whole lot of "She said something about Obama years ago and now she's dead. Stop being a sheep" posts...



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 06:57 PM
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Zaphod58
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So you think sending a message where you have survivors, and your target may survive is a good way to send a message?

Small planes crash. A number of them crashed when I lived out there. But what kind of message was sent when you have a plane crash with survivors, that can report something weird?


I assume the best hit is the one that doesn't look like a hit. Just saying.


So your Anecdotal evidence must mean it happened before so it is 100% the case this time regardless of proof, details etc. Interesting approach.



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 07:11 PM
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Zaphod58
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How often do we have a lot of details less than 24 hours after a crash?


yeeah...

they know enough of the details to know that everyone else survived.. come on man.. use your noodle!!!!

do we REALLY need to state the logic in this ordeal ?? !!!



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 07:14 PM
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I've heard it said by former military ...even on TV docs and the like .. especially on history channel watching old tech they used for espionage ...

"the perfect assassination is always meant to look like the perfect suicide; if it was blatant/public assassination .. it was a message"




posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 07:16 PM
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Zaphod58
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There were a couple crashes out there when I lived there where that happened. Usually it was someone panicking.


more than likely a student or ,,,

someone with very very low hours or not familar with that craft....



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 07:21 PM
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They were passengers. All were commercial, either helicopters or sightseeing flights.



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 07:24 PM
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Exactly, it wouldn't appear to be a hit. In this case you have eight people Thai survived and could have seen something.

So instead of something that makes more sense, they're going to stage a plane crash that everyone might survive, barely a half mile off shore, instead of the deep channel between islands, and leave the seven people not involved to tell people what happened?
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