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Hawaiian Official Who Released Obama's Birth Certificate Dies In Crash

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posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 04:40 PM
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hellobruce

funny how you only want those records for the first black president - no previous president supplied them, but as soon as the first black president comes along you demand all sorts of records from him!


No, I never demanded his records. I merely pointed out that unless and until he does so, no one knows where his college funding came from. That's just the reality. It would be an especially nice gesture on his part, and would certainly put an end to any such suspicions. But since I respect our privacy rights, I will protect his privacy rights in order to protect my own.


hellobruce
of course birthers do not like the fact that everyone's records are sealed exactly the same way as Obama's - it destroys their silly conspiracy.


Wrong again... or still... or both. No, I did not and do not demand anyone release their education records... and what the Birthers like or want doesn't destroy the truth that Obama has never released his records and therefore no one knows how his education was funded.




posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 04:41 PM
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PlatinumShatinum
Other Presidents have supplied academic records.
2004.georgewbush.org...


Bush only released those after they were leaked by someone.... what about all the other presidents? Where are Bush's Harvard records?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 04:45 PM
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Boadicea
and would certainly put an end to any such suspicions.


No it would not - remember how he released his Birth Certificates, and all the birthers have been claiming that they are forged.... if he did release his college records birthers would just claim that they were forged.

remember, this is not about any bit of paper Obama releases!


Obama has never released his records and therefore no one knows how his education was funded.


Well, no previous president has released their records - I notice your records are sealed exactly the same as Obama's, so what are you hiding?
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posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 05:00 PM
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So in the USA when you move interstate you must hand all your records to the state government
not quite how you state it but yes, they already have them from the very beginning (provided it's a legal entry).
and should they need/require a record still held by a prior residential state (say you had a child in Nebraska, then moved to Oregon), they simply request it through professional channels and then it remains on file with the requesting state.

if your medical is subsidized by either the state or federal government, (any many millions are, think Medicare & Medicaid), then your 'records' belong to the govt.
you even have to pay to get copies.


Does this occur in all states in the USA, or only Hawaii?


no, it varies from state to state and not all states will honor requests from ALL of the others.

to this day, FL & PA don't communicate.
(example: you are in FL and need a hard copy of your PA birth record to obtain a license)
you cannot get a 'certified copy' from the FL vital records office.

you MUST contact PA (usually by snail mail) and deal with them directly. (the last time i had to contact them for a friend, it took nearly 3 months to resolve and actually get the hard copy in his hands)

If your BC resided in say, MO, you could go to the local, FL Vital Records office, pay a fee and walk out with a 'certified' hard copy, in your hand, for your personal use.

hope that makes sense, if not, what's confusing ?


Some will remain, it is up to you what you bring with you
yeah, NO.
it is up to the US govt, not you, not the state you're entering and if you do not have it, you aren't supposed to get in.

If you are married in Canada, you are also considered married when you arrive in the US. repeating the process for stewardship of the record is redundant and ineffective.

if you have an Australian birth record and move to the US, you will still have an Australian birth record, however, the US government will retain the info and you will carry a 'certified copy' if you so desire, from state to state.

no matter which state you claim residency, a record of your birth (whatever its origin) will be held by the "Health Dept" of that state.

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posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 05:06 PM
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that's all well and good, but, do you know if any have volunteered info about their college funding?

i've never really looked into it.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 05:11 PM
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Obviously, this is Obama trying to clean up his lose ends before he gets kicked (hopefully) out of office.
Everything about this guy is a lie or a fraud.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 05:13 PM
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seriously dude, what does it freakin' matter ?
the Bush's have enough personal funding (without any govt assistance) to put half or more of TX through college.

this isn't about Bush, he wasn't/isn't the AA child who was funded by an UNKNOWN source.

and in his case, the source is clealy something he wishes to remain secret ... why ?

if he wasn't sponsored by the US govt, then whom ?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 05:17 PM
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Honor93
and in his case, the source is clealy something he wishes to remain secret ... why ?


Funny how the same can be said for all previous Presidents, all members of Congress.... they clearly must have something they wish to remain secret.... you also have something you want to remain a secret...why?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 05:32 PM
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dude, you just don't get it do you ?

that's ok, you're there and we're here.
it's different, what can i say ?

let's see if you understand this.
hypothetical - Marco Rubio (FL Senate) has 3 children in college, all with loans subsidized by the govt and co-signed by mom & dad ... now, that 'debt' is 'commercial debt' and sellable on the open market.

if i have a job at a ... consolidation company ... i will have immediate online access to ALL of their funding information (relative to the loans) in order to 'sell' them a consolidation package.

let's say for fun, Obama wasn't POTUS and the girls were in college.
guess what ? if their loans met the above criteria, i could get to their information simply to DO my job, that's how it is here.

the govt owns the debt, hence the PEOPLE do, not any one person. Either We the People paid Obama's college debt or some other source did.

what the Bushs' did is irrelevant.

the big point about the funding is this ... if Obama was sponsored by the US govt, it is possible he had to commit fraud to qualify.

and if he wasn't, then we, his employer, deserve to know who paid for his 'services'.
it DOES make a difference.

as for Bush, we already know who paid their way ... it's no secret.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 06:48 PM
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I downloaded and opened that document in Illustrator day one, and I will never believe that to be a real birth certificate. I don't know why people don't care. It's just retarded that people accepted it and ignored Arizona pointing it all out. If you follow the steps that are all over google and honestly want to sit there and say that's legit it is bewildering. Try to pass something like that off that to get a job of your own.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 07:16 PM
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Zaphod58
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I know its really hard to believe since Obama is involved, but it happens. Especially when you have a small plane.


Actually, with a decent pilot it is easier to survive a small plane crash than a large one...

Or...perhaps worded differently easier to survive the crash involving a small plane and the ground....



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 07:34 PM
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ezwip
I downloaded and opened that document in Illustrator day one, and I will never believe that to be a real birth certificate.


Who claimed it was a real birth certificate? This is one of the things so funny about birthers, they really do not know what they are even looking at!



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 07:48 PM
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Honor93

uh, no, been through that mudpit already and i'm not circling back.
feel free to move forward at your own pace.


Yeah, when you find some government documents or otherwise that back up your fantasies go ahead and post links. Until then I'll assume you just made it up, since you've provided no reason to believe otherwise.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 08:04 PM
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ezwip
I downloaded and opened that document in Illustrator day one, and I will never believe that to be a real birth certificate...


I did the same thing on the evening of April 27, 2011. Honestly, I felt ill when I saw what you've described.

The bottom line is, even if it's not completely phony, it's still not a birth certificate. It is an electronic .pdf file.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 08:19 PM
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funny how you only want those records for the first black president


Actually the first half black US President to be accurate.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 08:26 PM
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ezwip
I downloaded and opened that document in Illustrator day one, and I will never believe that to be a real birth certificate...



SBMcG
I did the same thing on the evening of April 27, 2011. Honestly, I felt ill when I saw what you've described.

The bottom line is, even if it's not completely phony, it's still not a birth certificate. It is an electronic .pdf file.


And the .pdf issue brings up yet another big question.

Why would they even post a .pdf ?

A simple .jpg would have stopped much of the speculation dead in its tracks.

There is a wild theory, but will wait to post it.

The pdf WAS put up for a reason. A very big and complicated reason.




posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 08:29 PM
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xuenchen
A simple .jpg would have stopped much of the speculation dead in its tracks.


very wrong, birthers would then go on and on as to why a jpg and not a PDF.... and would still claim it was forged.


The pdf WAS put up for a reason. A very big and complicated reason.


No, actually a very simple reason!



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 08:43 PM
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This is a good one as far as conspiracy theories go. With everything that's been going on with this and well all the administrations it doesn't surprise me at all.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 08:57 PM
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Tie in with exposable secrets, to presidents and CIA ops, and you with find a bigger death pool than what could be considered acceptable natural causes.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 09:51 PM
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OOOOOPPPPS! Nothing to see here! Just move along, keep moving.......

Yea, saw this yesterday.

Someone calculate the odds and probability of this occurring by accident, I will throw out a good guess of
One Trillion to One.



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