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How many people actually question the motive of mainstream music?

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posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 12:09 PM
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There is room enough for both of you to be right, but for many of us, the harmony and melody mean nothing without the lyrical content being extraordinary.




posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 02:10 PM
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0zzymand0s
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There is room enough for both of you to be right, but for many of us, the harmony and melody mean nothing without the lyrical content being extraordinary.


Yes I do think music is very, very subjective and doubt you could find two people on the planet who like exactly the same music in equal measure. I did grasp what PhoenixOD meant even though some pieces of music don't require lyrics to be considered great. And you are also correct as well. Words are a powerful thing and the singer's delivery can also make them even more so.

There is no "wrong" point of view just differing ones.



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 03:18 PM
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bigman88
I'm going to jump right an say it from the get go, then proceed with my ideas and criticisms. Here goes...

The Illuminati is this secret organization that takes it's directions from Lucifer. One of it's tools for psychological confusion and weakening of humanity is through the popular music industry. There, i got that out of the way. Now here are the reasons.

1) I always here that there only objective is to make money. Sex sells. Violence sells. Materialism sells. Senseless love sells. Inner emotional indulgence sells. That's why they have made this subject matter encompass the whole mainstream music industry. It's what the people want, and they are simply selling to them. I, and logic, and any thinking person says no. There are plenty of angles to the human psyche, all equally capable of becoming primary operative in our minds. There is no proof that human's will naturally acclimate towards violence and sex for enjoyment. That is something that is dependent on culture. We as humans can adapt to and enjoy anything; if you take the average entertainment medium to plenty of other parts of the world, it will horrify those inhabitants. There was a time were the sex and violence within our entertainment culture offended most of American society, while some were unsure of it's budding proliferation. Even men were put off by half naked women on billboards. Now today, it is the normal. Shocking no one at just how much shallow subject matter makes up entertainment, especially music.

They can sell us anything. Marketing and exposure is what will determine it's success. They can make the same amount of money selling us positivity, compassion, awareness, anything. If it has a million dollars, commercials and billboards behind it, it will sell. If something is advertised ta a society that hangs on the evrey word of the TV and radio, and they say this is the next big thing, it will sell. They want to sell us sex and violence.

2) So all of a sudden, out of nowhere, everybody likes the Illuminati? This shadowy secret organization that controls everything for it's own nefarious purposes? People are intrigued by the thought of there favorite rapper being a devil worshiper, and that's why ALL of the big name pop artists inundate all of their material with the symbols and lyrics? So why do all of these artists feel the need to make mess with their loyal fans heads by making them wonder if they worship the devil, or are apart of the Illuminati? For what reason? So you mean to tell me they are not able to market anything else that will catch a wider audience, instead of just Illuminati membership and devil worship?

"Iv'e made it! I got signed to a major record label! Now you know what would get everybody talking about me and wanting to buy my albums? Satan! Ha! They're so gullible..." < This x ALL of the mainstream pop artists. Does that makes sense?

Since when has devil worship and Illuminati become so cool and popular? So the kids of today are so rebellious and wild that they like Satan and the Illuminati, which has the entertainment industry putting these symbols and lyrics everywhere, having kids buy lil Wayne and Justin Beiber's album? Out of a million things to catch everyone's imagination with, they want us to imagine our favorite artists being into the devil?

Did we just start liking these symbols by ourselves? From childhood? Because these symbols are in children's media also.

So do the little children think these symbols cool? Or are adults putting them in there to get them to think that they are cool? The fact that these symbols are so prevalent in KIDS CARTOONS should make this whole thing suspicious from the start, but people will keep reasoning and downplaying.

3) And then we always here some bullcrap like "you can find whatever you want if you look hard enough. It means nothing." Or "There are all kinds if signs for all kinds of things already everywhere." Right. Let's examine this with an analogy.

If we see any number in TV programs, comics, books, movies, fashion or company logos, it will mean nothing. There numbers, and they are used all over for whatever. If i find the numbers 1-10 in all the above mediums, that would only show a bit of repetition, and lack of imagination on that particular company's part. So for that, they were just following the trend. There would be nothing to classify it as something to be observant of. Now if i find a specific set of numbers, arranged in the same consistent orders, say 39620/96203/62309/09236, in all the above mediums, everywhere, all the friggin time, then wouldn't that be a specific pattern there? Shouldn't that elicit some suspicion? The same goes for these occult symbols. Then let's add that all of the symbols have been in American mass media entertainment since not long after it's inception and that they are all part of the same overarching subjects (Satanism, Occultism, Illuminati). That makes it undeniably strange.

Good points.

It really makes you wonder what purpose there is to all of this. To say it's simply money seems far fetched as hell, especially with this stuff being prevalent in children's media. Thanks for that link, by the way, never seen that before. Pretty mind blowing stuff. I'd like to hear someone justify why there are dozens of pyramids and eyes, depictions of Satan and Gods within tv shows intended for very young children.



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 03:53 PM
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I don't quite go with all the symbolism thing in music videos to brainwash us all. I have watched many a TV show down the years with pictures of a Swastika and it still hasn't made me a Nazi. However maybe the weak minded are influenced by "Television, the drug of the nation, feeding ignorance and bleeding radiation" and all that. In fact that's video NOT music.



The modern music industry is faced with competition from 5 decades of it's golden past and the fact that most of the good melodies have already been created in the limited range of popular music. So I still think it's motive is financial survival rather than hypnotic influence. Feel free to disagree. The world is not always as it seems.



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 03:59 PM
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Argyll
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2 Words......"Supply & Demand"



I call bull# on that "old cliche"

When bull# is all thats for sale, then thats all thats in demand.
I know loads of people crying out for good music and positive messages. But its not being supplied.
The masses are brainwashed, it cannot be denied.



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 04:03 PM
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mirageman
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I don't quite go with all the symbolism thing in music videos to brainwash us all. I have watched many a TV show down the years with pictures of a Swastika and it still hasn't made me a Nazi. However maybe the weak minded are influenced by "Television, the drug of the nation, feeding ignorance and bleeding radiation" and all that. In fact that's video NOT music.



The modern music industry is faced with competition from 5 decades of it's golden past and the fact that most of the good melodies have already been created in the limited range of popular music. So I still think it's motive is financial survival rather than hypnotic influence. Feel free to disagree. The world is not always as it seems.


Seeing the image of a swastika isnt going to make you a nazi, the hindu sun cross is much more ancient than the nazis.
But listening to a genre of music that is full of half naked women, gang violence and drugs and a "just dont give a f**k" mentality, and then you look at the effect it is undeniably having on the youth, you cannot argue that it has no effect.
Especially when every song is portraying the same things...Sex, Money, Drugs & Hustle.
Now we have 13 and 14 yr olds gang raping 11 yr olds, you cannot tell me it has no effect.
We are losing a generation of our kids to this sh*t, it makes me angry.



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 07:07 PM
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Are you into anime? Your avatar and your name look anime-ish.

ALL of that is the same is the mainstream music industry, saturated in occultism and satanism. The anime, manga, and all the hentai. Satanic symbolism and mind control subject matter everywhere.



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 08:47 PM
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Thanks for delivering the Facts ref; Music Today. I.m 67 so know a bit about the casual trends throughout the years. Music was nigh on Abolished during the late 70s early 80s, and had it not been such great musicians as QUEEN etc. the whole issue would have been ditched. Many great old Songs / Tunes are now used on UK TV by so called advertising companies.

How Great it was when we Had LPs and 45s etc. plus a render of Tape recorders etc. Today the Digital word has dumped so called CDs in our lap - at a far too high price...and if you sneeze near the so called CD player, the disk is suddenly destroyed. Old LPs + Tapes etc. could be played as loud as one so wished and a ruddy party could be held, and still it all survived. There is no Music nowadays, there's just a cheap bulge of gear the is made to guarantee the Second Coming of really high PROFIT.

Before anyone nags on about the wonders of Classical music, yes, there are some of those that I own and often play, my favourites being MANTOVANI, or MOZART who had a preferrence for lovely wind instruments. Freddie Mercury, Johnny Cash, Buddy Holly, The Hollies, Marianne Faithful, John Denver, Elvis Presley, the BEETLES, etc. etc. etc and of course JAH WOBBLE, plus stacks of great Saxophone players, .....They were MUSICIANS....Today all we hear is some clown talking to a 1-2,12,12, sort of Beat...Jeex. give me strength....even ATB are Fantastic.....
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posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 09:07 PM
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Argyll
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2 Words......"Supply & Demand"



Few more words...

Who supplies this demand, it sure isn't you or my grandma/

The demand is implanted in our brains, we are told what to expect, turn on the boob tube or slide through a few ATS threads and you are ready to bomb sovereign nations since you heard it here first...LOL!

You people are a joke, supply your own intelligence before you feed your own ego.

4 real!



posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 09:38 PM
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madmark
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they are turning people into zombies with the same poop music all day. maybe thats the agenda.


That's exactly the agenda--to homogenize culture around materialist instincts and moral relativism.

If you cross-reference the anecdotal observations of the music industry agenda against the stated goals in the leaked government social engineering treatise Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars, you'll begin to get a glimpse of the bigger picture. Attuning and homogenizing the vast majority of society is a social engineering mechanism designed to also homogenize and make predictable individuals' response to changing economic and cultural stimuli.

In other words, people who listen to the same music, shop at the same stores, buy the same clothes, and believe the same things... well, when something out of the ordinary happens to those people--whether confronted with a change in taxation or social policy or scarcity or a propagandized push for war--they also tend to react in the same way.

This is about Palovian conditioning. This is about mind control. TPTB are trying to convert humanity into a hivemind construct so mankind can be more easily herded, dominated, and steered in the direction TPTB want.

If anything, this should only be a greater incentive to unplug from the social matrix. Go do your own thing, be your own individual. Have your own opinions, and don't let these criminals control you. That's the most important thing. Because thanks to the interwebz, we're all beginning to see the direction they want to take society, and it isn't a pretty place.

(And remember folks, Rockefeller controls the music industry, and the family has a documented history of attempting to control people through harmonics. The Rockefeller family was responsible for changing the standard frequency of an "A" note to 440Hz, an unnatural frequency known to breed aggression and distress in man.)
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posted on Dec, 12 2013 @ 09:41 PM
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Sorry, tenth, I fiercely disagree with you on this one.

I forget who said essentially . . .

that they didn't care what the politics were of a nation . . . as long as he could write the songs . . . he would be effectively in control.

OF COURSE the globalists have used music from at least the 1960's to help destroy the old order, the old values; the family; marriage; etc. toward creating chaos and making it easier to set up the NWO overtly.

It's just far too obvious, imho.

Besides, there is plenty of other evidence and confessions of some key players that they did exactly that.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 03:20 AM
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Found it, tenth:

conversation.acwi-online.org...




Sunday, September 6, 2009
Let me write the songs of a nation.

“For a long time now, I’ve been convinced that what happens in New York (finances), Hollywood (entertainment), Silicon Valley (technology), and Miami (fashion) has a far greater impact on how our culture thinks about reality than what happens in Washington D.C. (politics). It’s super important for us to understand that politics are reflective, not directive. That is, the political arena is the place where policies are made that reflect the values of our culture--the habits of heart and mind--that are being shaped by these other, more strategic arenas.
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As the Scottish politician Andrew Fletcher said, “Let me write the songs of a nation: I don’t care who writes its laws.” Tullian Tchividjian, Unfashionable, p. 95.

Think on the above.
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Absolutely indeed.

en.wikiquote.org...

A more thoroughly accurate source:




Andrew Fletcher of Saltoun (1653 – September 1716) was a Scottish writer, politician and patriot. He was a Commissioner of the old Parliament of Scotland and opposed the 1707 Act of Union between Scotland and England.
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I said I knew a very wise man so much of Sir Christopher's sentiment, that he believed if a man were permitted to make all the ballads he need not care who should make the laws of a nation, and we find that most of the ancient legislators thought that they could not well reform the manners of any city without the help of a lyric, and sometimes of a dramatic poet.
'An ACCOUNT of A CONVERSATION concerning A RIGHT REGULATION of GOVERNMENTS For the common Good of Mankind: In A LETTER to the Marquiss of Montrose , the Earls of Rothes, Roxburg and Haddington , From London the first of December, 1703'. Later variants express the sentiment in the first person, e.g.:
Let me make the songs of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.
Give me the making of a people's songs, and I care not who makes its laws.

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Also, the "Communist Goals," IIRC . . . includes a section on seducing and polluting the arts toward nihlism, meaninglessness, absurdity etc.

From the 1963 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD

www.uhuh.com...



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21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
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22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
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23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
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24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
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25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
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26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
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40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

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So, tenth, in light of the goals listed above from back in 1963 . . . is it your opinion or not your opinion that those goals have been greatly achieved in the decades since?

Or, put another way, has the "popular music" [as "sold" to the public by the globalist media machine and entertainment industry] since 1963 increased in the culture those factors degrading the old order?


to wit:

1. Control of media by said destructive globalists? [see quote from them about their 1915-1917 takeover of the media

twoday.net...



22. "In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press....They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers. "An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers." U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917


I think the above has been obvious to the observant for decades. I knew it during the Selection that landed JFK in the Whitehouse when I was in High School.]
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2. Discrediting American culture [AND traditional VALUES re: God, family, patriotism, marriage, sexual behaviors] by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."
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3. to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
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4. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
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5. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
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6. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."
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7. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.


= = = =

Can anyone with any awareness and an IQ above freezing deny the above with a straight face?

Or has the project become soooooooooo successful that the world before 1963 is incomprehensibly foreign to our current era and particularly to those under 30?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 12:02 PM
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tothetenthpower
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The deeper agenda is MONEY. It always has been.

I can't for the life of me believe that there's an entire industry of music, that's dedicated to masonic, satanic or any other kind of large scale attempt at 'programming people'. Beyond the obvious over sexualization of our youth and the pushing of consumerism.

~Tenth


And the deepest agenda is POWER. It always has been.

I can't for the life of me believe that there's and entire industry of music, that's dedicated to money, greed or any other kind of large scale attempt at "taking people's money". Beyond the obvious over the top attempts at convincing our youth to be as shallow and pathetic as possible... and the direct programming of them to tune there power to a good frequency for someone to use..

Too bad they have already programmed the simple minds since before birth to not be able to handle things they would not do, mentally.

Tenth, just where do you think the MONEY these people are making COMES FROM.... People who certainly have so much, that they could not care LESS, they care about programming, so they pay the money, and now, as we can see, the ENTIRE INTERNET, is giving away ALL OF THIS , ALL THE MUSIC, VIDEOS, MOVIES, EVERYTHING,,, FOR FREE !!!!

WHAT FREAKING MONEY !!!!



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:46 PM
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Spookybelle

The constant here is the change and there is nothing any deeper to read into it other than that. Remember the devil horns symbol the kids used to make with their closed fist in one hand and a raised lighter in the other?

Was nothing but a little trend.


Actually the hand signal everyone was getting so upset about is not satanic, it is merely the sign (in sign language) meaning love! Or "I love you!" ! Makes sense fans would do it when you know that.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:22 PM
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I absolutely believe there is a whole other agenda at hand with music. Some of the videos I have seen of late it is too easy to pick out illuminati symbols as well as satanic ones. This music video by Kesha is by far to me the one that stands out most. www.youtube.com... check that out. If the link doesn't work look up Kesha Die Young on youtube
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posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:28 PM
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While I cannot comment on current radio airplay (FM) because I've not listened to much in the past 10 years, especially any 'pop' stations; I can say that when I listened to a LOT of radio (outside of my talk radio that I enjoyed during a particular station's peak for me), there has always been a pattern to it. There are key songs they play in a relatively common frequency. In fact, some stations will hit the same song, every day, at the same time.

This pattern will make some people happy (people like familiarity; look at reruns on tv). Also, they figure a good portion of the audience doesn't listen non-stop for hours these days; so cycling the songs gets them to the cycle of people.

The main point to make though; is if you don't like the station change it; can't find any, turn it off. Make tapes/CDs/iPod-MP3 player lists. You have control over what you hear.

T.V. is just as bad, both in repetition and commercials, to quality programming.

I'm so out of the loop, I couldn't tell you much outside of what I've heard in stores ... some Lady GaGa song was popular a few years ago and was on often when I went in certain stores. I know of Beiber's name, but not a song of his. I couldn't tell you a single Miley Cyrus song outside the controversial wrecking ball thing after her controversial performance. I just don't care.

I assume I am missing out on some good music somewhere out there; but I have a solution for that. Pandora/iTunes radio. Both are really cheap for no commercials (about $15/yr). I've used Pandora for years, and tested out the iTunes radio and it is as good with the station I created to mimic my main Pandora one (liquid dub/chillstep I call it, Blackmill is the artist that is the basis for it). Either of these offer a free access that involves commercials. iTunes radio gives you more control on what plays. You know what I don't hear on my stations? Beiber, GaGa, Cyrus. I hear stuff I want to hear most of the time, and when I don't like something, I down rate it and never hear it again, lowering the chances of hearing anything like it in the future as well.


Is there an agenda outside of profit? I think that requires a big leap of faith and would be a pretty wild conspiracy because of the number of people involved willingly or oblivious to their cooperation. I suppose DJs could essentially be following orders outside of user request at most stations (don't think many DJs have control of what they play any longer) ... which means it makes it more likely that suits who own the station conglomerates to control and set rotations with very little wiggle room for the employee to follow. ClearChannel is a big company with many stations across the country; if anyone could be an example of one of the possible culprits, it'd be them; but I haven't listened to one of their non-talk stations for a while, and their talk station I listen too doesn't seem to be under too strong of a fist from the issues and stances I've heard them talk about and take.


I do feel that a lot of music has become superficial, but I cannot fully say for certain if that is my age talking or not. Every generation has gone through that. I'd say there is great music coming out today, but the mainstream sell has been bad since the 80s with Backstreet Boys and NSYNC. Created groups selling themselves to the common denominator performing music that means nothing to them. People who don't necessarily have a passion for music at all, just the face and willingness to do as told.

That is a bit more obvious in these past few decades. I can't call out any real artists that are new today; but I can tell you Bjork is in full artistic and intellectual control of her music, how it is produced and when it comes out; whether you like her stuff or not (haven't heard her lastest album; she gets a lot of # for being unique/herself without people really taking the time to listen to her whole albums before passing judgement).

I know that my grandparen'ts generation in general weren't too keen on my parent's generation's music. I know there was some music I listened to that my parents would've been a bit put off by. I know when I first heard dubstep I was put off, until I found a sub-genre that I liked, and quite a bit (it isn't all crazy/intense/annoying, trust me ... Blackmill). This will continue; but with the addition of the fake-popstar crap that sells well to the masses through image and advertisement. I feel bad for the people who hit the limelight and get a lot of # when they are just doing their thing (Rebecca Black); even if I do feel their music is a bit shallow (less so for the age she was). I feel less sympathy for someone like Miley who has been in the business most of her life, and her father in it before she was born. I love the (old) Disney company but this Disney-syndrome has become an issue. A lot of sheltered stars from them are going on to lose it a bit; like the stereotype of a catholic school girl getting 'wild' when they taste freedom from a system that feels oppressive to some of them.

I think people in general are/want to be brainwashed. People fear change. People like to feel part of something. Combine something that is being sold as popular and repeat it constantly and they eat it up. I've seen a lot of 'crap' go to the top of the charts over the years. Music with no depth sung with no emotion or passion. Simplistic beats, meaningless lyrics, vocalists with no 'heart'. This will not go away fully; but you don't have to listen to it


My action is to turn the radio off and play stuff I like, either from my collection or Pandora/iTunes Radio. I don't have cable either; I do have NetFlix to stream the stuff I like (and Sesame Street/youth programming for my kids) and use youtube to watch stuff from content creators I like.


When you step away from sources of influence, they cannot influence you. I can't imagine dealing with all the commercials on both radio and tv again; let alone the repetitious nature of the beasts. It is quite nice tbh. The last time I recall hearing a song over and over again, was a business' satellite radio; it was the song 'Sunday Morning' from No Doubt ... not the brainwashed no soul music I personally feel this thread is aimed towards :p



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:56 PM
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Kitora

tothetenthpower
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The deeper agenda is MONEY. It always has been.

I can't for the life of me believe that there's an entire industry of music, that's dedicated to masonic, satanic or any other kind of large scale attempt at 'programming people'. Beyond the obvious over sexualization of our youth and the pushing of consumerism.

~Tenth

This is probably exactly what the point of all of this is.

Conspiracies are juicy, and so they attract many people. I don't have the balls to outright say that there is a conspiracy, and that there is a supernatural force at work within the paradigm of society tugging at the strings of our friends and loved ones.

The amount of sexual imagery, undeniably ripples through our culture at a rate that isn't really matched by anything else. It transforms the youth of today, making them more promiscuous, more concerned with appearance, ego and money. Such a mechanism of deep psychological bombardment feels indicative of something larger, but this is all conjecture.

At the rate that this is seeding society I feel as though it's only a matter of time before the majority of the population is so superficial that they will be completely blind to the world, much more than they are today, which seems hard to top.


It amazes me how many of us can see this but still refuse to believe the agenda that TPTB are promoting!
I believe with all my heart their plan is to lead us away from Jesus Christ! To embrace the deadly sins!
To live our lives outright contrary to the beliefs of the monotheistic religions! The next part of the plan will
be to deny these religions and to put pagan theology in it's place! The final part of their plan may in fact be to
purge those that believe as we are already seeing the seeds of this begin to take root!
our society has lost all reverence for God and where God once had a place in our hearts we see worship for
decadence, wealth, fame and violence!
Where will this moral decay lead? Well the trail is long and wide. We have no respect for the other species
that make up our world. We care little for our water supply which is constantly polluted with comntaminants
! We have no respect for ourselves or one another and so how can we ever expect to hold those in positions of
power which are utterly devoid of any moral standards accountable to a higher standard?
It should be painfully obvious to each of us that our progeny are being brain washed to follow all orders with
unquestioning loyalty! The so called zero tolerance agenda is being used today along side of overmedication,
moral dilapidation, patriotic virtue and absentee guardians!
For all these things to have come together IMO there had to have been either a long acting plan or unreasonable
and unlucky chance!
I remember reading certain FOIA documents like "the report from iron mountain" and "operation northwoods"
to create destabilization in the US to create dependency on government and northwoods which would create
a war with Cuba! What if these 2 idea's were combined to create the society we have today? Would this not
cause all the problems we have today!
I realize this may seem to go off topic but in my opinion, all these things are linked together and it all leads to the
ability to manipulate and control the public! To summarize we have an entertainment industry intent on promoting
idea's, emulating the most unethical of our society! Then we have the movie industry which promotes violence and
popularizes villains! Then we have the main stream news media with their constant attempts to divide the public by
their use of wedge issues and the demonizing of those political figures they either don't support because of partisan
politics or because this politician is backing the people and/or vilifying certain powerful shadow figures! Then we have
the shadow government; these are the men behind the scenes who write the policies for these industries! Behind that
are the alphabet agencies and their bosses the banking industry, big oil, pharmaceuticals and the military industrial
complex! Though this may not be the entire picture and it may not even be totally accurate but I believe this is
pretty much how the world works! We can deny this all we want, we can stick our heads in the sand and remain
ignorant of the truth! We can be very powerful individuals if we have motivation and we are even more powerful as
a group but We can only be manipulated if we choose to empower those that will!



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 03:54 PM
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I would point out that you are entitled to believe in whatever religion you want to and sound like a good person (as are many other people of whatever faith they choose (or were instructed is the right one to choose).

But ultimately its all just probably stuff that was made up by men millennia ago. Religion has been used, abused and twisted by the "the powers that be" (i.e Emperors, Kings, and Clergy) to keep people downtrodden, controlled and unable to think for themselves because of their fear of some invisible, inaudible and inactive God.

With that in mind 'religion' has been rather more effective than the music industry in it's methods of brainwashing and mind control.






posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 06:19 PM
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Absolutely indeed.

[However, more would read your post if you were careful to paragraph every 5-8 lines or so. Particularly old eyes but all eyes need micro-rests of space between lines of text. Most folks just won't read "walls of text."]

Certainly the PTB have been manipulating everything their very powerful capacities, skills and tools allow them to manipulate--which certainly includes the music and entertainment industry.

And, they have declared that they are determined to raise up overtly on the world stage a global government requiring ALL to worship satan.


The following quote is sometimes scoffed at . . . however, those who've studied globalism sufficiently, don't laugh at such facts.

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twoday.net...




18. "No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation." David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations


It is NO ACCIDENT that researching the root meanings of the original words concerned . . . satan's BODY inherently included body parts which were musical instruments. HE has been big time into music from BEFORE HE FELL.

OF COURSE HE would use it to manipulate the sheeple toward his destructive goals.

As to those who disbelieve in him . . . Stay tuned . . . if the rising tide of lawlessness and rank evil, horror and cruelty do not convinced you of the reality of the dark lord Lucifer . . . perhaps nothing will. However, the ante is going to be raised/lowered several levels to much worse.

AT WHAT POINT will you conclude that perhaps there is a satan . . . or that there certainly is a satan? The upper level ranks of the NWO PTB reportedly already are required to bugger toddler little boys before sacrificing them to satan--in order to join the upper ranks.

Evidently you think that "popular" "MUSIC" glorifying satanism, cruelty, abuse, violence, sexual horrors is merely a coincidence?


LOLOLOLOLOL

Sigh.


edit on 13/12/2013 by BO XIAN because: tags



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 06:26 PM
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Somehow you seem to leave out the incredibly powerful part of religion and spirituality [they are not the same] . . .

that MUSIC plays.

Music is probably one of the more powerful aspects of both religion and spirituality.



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