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reply to post by okamitengu
I would ask you to resist the suggestion of others, and the temptation, to tear the whole thing down. The US didn't start that way, the Constitution drew on the state constitutions and existing political thought, modified to avoid the excesses and errors which the Founders knew about.
Besides when you tear the system down, the radicals take over, not the sane people. In Egypt the Muslim Brotherhood took control after the overthrow of the government. In Russia, the Communists and their predecessors took over in the 1917 revolution.
reply to post by okamitengu
Again, please correct me if I go wrong.
It seems you're calling for a third, mainstream party, which will attract enough people to change the way the US (or North America, if you prefer) has established it's system of elections, legislation, and government structure. This is a lofty and very difficult goal to reach.
Do you have some thoughts on where these voters will come from, or how they will be persuaded? I haven't thought it through, but I'm not sure the benefits would be seen as concrete enough to break with tradition. I don't know about Australia, of course, but in the US, terms like "Sheeple" and "Low Information Voter" make me think it would be difficult to shift large portions of the electorate. Further, I would wager 25 cents (My largest wager amount) that the Republicans and Democrats would resist it with all of their dollars and ballot tricks.
reply to post by okamitengu
Thanks, I see that my worries were misplaced and weren't applicable to the plan you had. So, do we take over an existing group, or start entirely from scratch? You mentioned Occupy in passing, they have a worldwide organization (sort of). Or start with the Tea Party in North America?
If we're going from scratch, are you asking us to start creating a set of principles for a society here on ATS, then spread it? Or perhaps, find a group of people from many different sources and then start creating the principles?
I'd be happy to chip in if you'd think it useful.
Oh, just had another thought. Pope Francis is widely popular, and there are Catholics all over the world. Build on that?
P.s. If you feel like you're writing a novel now, just wait until the work begins. So far, this is nothing. - C -
originally posted by: Szarekh
Mods, I don't believe this discussion really belongs anywhere else then the aptly named "Above politics". Move at your own discretion.
We here at ATS pride ourselves in the (semi) fact that we are above ignorance. Usually this is true. I've been lurking for quiet some time,and have been introduced to things I wouldn't have ever have without ATS.However I notice a recurrent underscore of partisan/political/petty political debates. The very same kind we rail against. The same kind we hear off Fox news, and MSNBC. I know we're better than this.
We've developed the same kind sickness that this,and every country's constituents now have. We've stopped proposing solutions, or clever worded documents, or kindhearted paths to things greater. We've started to debate one side AGAINST another when BOTH are needed. After lurking and thinking for some time I've decided to make a much needed "general" thread for solutions TO ANY problems that plagues us.
Now I'd prefer to keep this North American related since A.)Most of our members reside here B.)To keep it focused. and C.) A lot of our problems seem to be more flagrant and understandable than others. However I am more than open to the problems of other countries! Our's may be similar!
I care to/won't enforce make any actually rules here,but I'd like a guideline to help organize any solutions you'd like to offer.
~ Try to keep it ON solutions,and OFF politics if you can.
~ Sources for some claims are asked but not demanded. Often logic should be enough,so don't worry.
~ If you disagree with a solution, put in your own entirely, or propose a few different points on your own.
~ Anything you believe is a problem with a solution, is your own to post, and I will not tolerate anyone putting someone down because they don't perceive a problem.
This is an open discussion for any poster of ATS, for discussion of any country, and personal opinion.
Now to keep this as TL;DR and to be viewed as an opening post and not my own solution,I'll end here.
originally posted by: Foxxinator
I propose a new way of thinking for everyone. We focus on the future and everything up to the date of this post: 22:39 11/08/2014 - British summer time - is declared 'common heritage'. A lot of bad things have happened up to date, if we are to maximise our potential we need to prepare for what lies ahead. This means housing and food for everyone - look at the arab spring rising. Many people that was because of a lack of food.
Renewable energy is the future, as is nuclear energy. If we are to ever venture beyond our solar system we will likely need the energy in the short term. If everyone lived in the present rather than focused on what's happened people could make a real difference.
We need a movement to change the world as it is. I want the world to be a better place, things are great for me personally when it comes to human history. I am so lucky, I don't believe that one person can't make a difference. A community certainly can, we should come up with a list of tenets - ideas persay that people should adhere to, this isn't meant to impede on people's freedom.
What else can I do to be heard, I did write to David Cameron about the negative feeling in the news recently and haven't received a response yet. Everything happens for a reason, this post is to try make the world a better place.