posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 12:20 PM
reply to post by woodwardjnr
Of course it was borrowed. I don't think any Christian alive truly thinks they did not adopt Christmas from various pagan cultures and religions.
Even Santa sort of fits into old western European pagan traditions. The Holly King and the Oak King are sort of like the meta-myths of how the
seasons turn (beyond involvement from the Goddess). Santa Clause is depicted very much like the Holly King, who passes on the year to the Oak King,
who is born in a miraculous fashion just like Jesus. In fact, here's the Holly King delivering the Oak King in a sort of a "passing the torch"
type of moment.
In my signature, I have a Yule thread that sort of goes over some of the Santa/Holly King comparisons (in good fun).
But here's the thing: IT DOES NOT MATTER
beyond it being an interesting discussion. Nearly ever single religious holiday there is has pagan
roots and origins. It was the kinder, gentler method of converting the pagan tribes as opposed to just killing them all (both methods were carried
out enough for us to know which one worked the best).
At it's core, the solstice celebrates the coming new life, be it of Earth, Jesus, Nature, the Oak King... it's still new life coming in to fulfill
old promises. I couldn't think of a better day for Christians to pick for celebrating their Jesus being born in the flesh. It fits like no other
day does! Same with Ostara (Easter).
I celebrate both. I celebrate Yule as a witch but Christmas as an American because, to me, Christmas is a very cultural holiday and I have no
problems saying "Merry Christmas" to other participants. It's a pillar of western civilization and an icon for winter times. I'd hate to see it
change (although I would
like to see a pentagram on top of the Christmas tree in town squares, heh heh).