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Satanists Demand Statue next to Christian Monument in Oklahoma

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posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 07:45 PM
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It is?

Yes, it is. As soon as you figure out why you think the Church of Satan is to be dismissed, you'll understand why atheists feel the same why about the rest of religions.


Whos ITS Pope,

So religions have to have a Pope to be legitimate?


what are the cannons,

Easily found if you try to do some basic research on the subject.


where is the eye to eye witness scripture to describe Satans deeds/how he walked this earth with abandon.

Other than the Bible?


No smidgion of history to back it (other than some Hierononmous Bosch paintings depicting hell) going back to say only 6000 years?

As much history as there is for any other supernatural even claimed to have occurred in the Bible.


Tell me what ancient cultures civilizations have "WORSHIPED" Satan and proclaimed as much as to have a leader and 'named and published disciples',

What does this have to do with whether a religion is legitimate or not?


A new testament of sorts; A BOOK (other than Mein Kampf)

What does "Mein Kampf" have to do with Satanism? Adolf Hitler was a Christian, specifically a Lutheran, following Martin Luther's more antisemitic writings. And if you think Martin Luther wasn't a rabid antisemite, you haven't really read his later works.



that should would be within all library catalogs 'this is Satanism one of the four majors, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism.

How are the "four majors" decided, exactly, in your estimation? Especially since you didn't include Judaism, which is the first Abrahamic religion before Christianity and Islam?


Atheism is AT LEAST recognised as a 'reactionary legalistic term' for a belief system.

Atheism is a lack of belief, not a belief system.


Satanism, no churches in my area as to be seen unless invisible (or existing diabolically within secret basements of existing edifaces; starting with Vatican City/St.Peters).

So whether something is popular or not is what decides if it is a religion, in your estimation?




posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 07:49 PM
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So you don't believe that our society, our civilization has any Judeo-Christian foundations?


Our society has Judeo-Christian influences, but it also has Roman, Greek and Egyptian influences. There is no democracy in the Bible and the 10 Commandments forbid the very tenets of capitalism. If we followed what Jesus taught, we'd be "off the deep end" Socialists, perhaps even Communists!



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 07:50 PM
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beezzer
vethumanbeing
Kali74
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Kali94
Yes they get tax free status as well.



VeteranHumanbeing
And what exactly are they writing off, not the collection of souls per thousand or the inability to collect souls (just good business if in the red). You are saying that there are Satanist churches that get tax free domaine; that would be SCIENTOLOGISTS (should have stated this in the first place).



beezzer
They're probably all lawyers or Lobbyists. Or gulp clowns


Both, together in scotchbrand sprayed on application (to waterproof the tents) organized with fake outraged contempt as a slow and stumbling 'pinkish' movement; church and state still separate here or is this Lawyer Satan Movement going to create some action in congressional legistation? Move to remove the Constitution as a tired old thought form regarding freedom; and rewrite it as If you have any sort of ridiculous idea that involves a "BELIEF SYSTEM (that includes a viable witnessed in the flesh diety Jesus-like as a full on 9D human) you can have tax free status. Forget the Scientologists, the Mormons were all over this 150 years ago. What is the proposed Satanic statue to resemble? a Goat head within an upsidedown pentagram medallion or a full on 3d Minataur monstrosity?





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posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 07:50 PM
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windword
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So you don't believe that our society, our civilization has any Judeo-Christian foundations?


Our society has Judeo-Christian influences, but it also has Roman, Greek and Egyptian influences. There is no democracy in the Bible and the 10 Commandments forbid the very tenets of capitalism. If we followed what Jesus taught, we'd be "off the deep end" Socialists, perhaps even Communists!



Now you're just being silly, but it does have Judeo-Christian influences.

I'm glad we can at least agree with that.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 07:56 PM
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beezzer
creation.com...


that was a good read... thanks for the link!

"And he also declared that the state is under God and the law, ‘because the law makes the king. For there is no king where will rules rather then the law.

can you imagine the Greek being a republic through all that and the world around them? it's almost unfathomable...



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 07:58 PM
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Now you're just being silly


And you're being obtuse.


One things I find remarkable about Solon (638 BCE - 558 BCE), other than the fact that when repealing the laws of Draco he re-wrote Athens Constitution in poetic verse (in 594 BCE), making him the first person in history to formalize democratic principles in government, is that after doing so he went into self-imposed exile for ten years to ensure that he would not become a tyrant.



The Ten Commandments of Solon (founder of Athenian democracy)
1. Trust good character more than promises.
2. Do not speak falsely.
3. Do good things.
4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
5. Learn to obey before you command.
6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
7. Make reason your supreme commander.
8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
9. Honor the gods.
10. Have regard for your parents.
dailydoubt.blogspot.com...


Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's. (Exodus 20:17)

The final commandment is a little puzzling. Unlike all the others, which prohibit actions, this one apparently is attempting to forbid a state of mind. Isn't a commandment against coveting redundant? Didn't "Thou shalt not steal" take care of this already? And how can you obey this one, even if you want to? You choose to steal, but no one chooses to covet. Thought cannot be outlawed; and why should it be, as long as you can control your actions?

As Dan Barker has pointed out, the free-enterprise system that forms the basis for the Western economy is fundamentally dependent on coveting. If people didn't covet, capitalism wouldn't work! As a final aside, it is revealing to see what this commandment says about the mindset of the authors of the Bible. Within the space of one rule, it reveals that they had no problem with slavery (the Hebrew words used for both "manservant" and "maidservant" carry that connotation) and saw wives as the property of their husbands. Female spouses are included along with slaves and cattle on the list of things "that [are] thy neighbor's."
www.jamesrobertwatson.com...



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:05 PM
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windword
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So you don't believe that our society, our civilization has any Judeo-Christian foundations?


Our society has Judeo-Christian influences,


our society is the Truth, the crème de la crème of worldly philosophies... but how we base what we assimilate into our own is dominated by the history of Christendom.

There are really only 3 philosophical systems on the planet "the Eastern" and "the Western" the middle eastern philosophy is there too "Islam" but it is out problem, it is a hand which must be cut off.

Eastern and Western philosophies are compatible, so we're down to only 2 after the reformation and westernization of the middle east, they will not be a blend, they are a product of what they have gained from destruction and forcibly gaining knowledge.

it's a duality... and China has only begun to build in the last 50 years.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:10 PM
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there will be Revolution in China before the multitudes turn their gaze to the middle east... the embarrassment of Monotheism.

"our problem"



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:12 PM
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The Ten Commandments of Solon (founder of Athenian democracy)
1. Trust good character more than promises.
2. Do not speak falsely.
3. Do good things.
4. Do not be hasty in making friends, but do not abandon them once made.
5. Learn to obey before you command.
6. When giving advice, do not recommend what is most pleasing, but what is most useful.
7. Make reason your supreme commander.
8. Do not associate with people who do bad things.
9. Honor the gods.
10. Have regard for your parents.


Now these are commandments I could get behind!!!

The biblical 10 commandments really make me wonder.
I cannot fathom how anyone can read those and still think they came from a creator, the were either made up by man as a control system or given to the Jews by a fake god (Demon or Alien take your pick).
The 1st 4 of the 10 are about his insecurities!!!!!
Someone who demands you grovel is not worthy of any praise or recognition, in fact I think the biblical god should be put on trial



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:16 PM
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You don't actually believe that liberty belongs to or originated with the Hebrews do you? It's human nature (well most humans).



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:19 PM
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No it's not up to me to infringe on other's beliefs. I don't even believe Satan exists what care do I have about people that do as long as they aren't hurting anything.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:21 PM
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You don't actually believe that liberty belongs to or originated with the Hebrews do you? It's human nature (well most humans).


actually... their works and philosophies were translated into Greek.

this concept does not exist in Sumer... nor did it in Egypt during it's time (how many thousand years?) when the Pharaoh was God...



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:26 PM
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You think Solon, Pythagoras, Plato and the like were really Jews?



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:30 PM
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Iterationzero
As soon as you figure out why you think the Church of Satan is to be dismissed, you'll understand why atheists feel the same why about the rest of religions.


Atheists are recognised within our system of law as flawed as it is. Satanists are not as public as they are not exactly making themselves known to the law makers (in wanting to reveal themselves and IN MASS MARCH ON WASHINGTON change some law or add to it). What is their problem by the way, they are free to cast spells, light some candles and chant to steal souls just like the rest of us showing up and lobbying for their freedom of speech as its included within the constitution. Atheists just wanted mandatory prayer to be removed from schools. Are you suggesting a Satanist prayer to be added (after saying the 'pledge of alliegence') before morning classes commence?


VHB
Whos ITS Pope,



iterationzero
So religions have to have a Pope to be legitimate?


WHY NOT, and wear robes and a conical hat; at least one as formidable as the Catholic church oldest christian dynasty EVER instigated, refined in its eloqency taken from the orthodoxis of Italy, Poland , Russia, Greese, Turkey lets just say for at least 1700 years, as many Popes it takes to dance upon a pin.


VHBwhere is the eye to eye witness scripture to describe Satans deeds/how he walked this earth with abandon.
Other than the Bible? No smidgion of history to back it (other than some Hierononmous Bosch paintings depicting hell) going back to say only 6000 years? Or a general mention in Genesis?



iterationzero
As much history as there is for any other supernatural even claimed to have occurred in the Bible.


What does the Church of Satan have to do with the supernatural, it doesnt have a book written or spoken of; that has the significance of biblical/Enochian supernatural occurances. If you are speaking of the occult, say so.


VHBA new testament of sorts; A BOOK (other than Mein Kampf)



iterationzero
What does "Mein Kampf" have to do with Satanism? Adolf Hitler was a Christian, specifically a Lutheran, following Martin Luther's more antisemitic writings. And if you think Martin Luther wasn't a rabid antisemite, you haven't really read his later works.


No he was a pagan, Lutheranism was a cover, he was of the 'Vrill Society". I have no thoughts upon modern day religious leaders.


VeteranHumanbeing
That should would be within all library catalogs 'this is Satanism one of the four majors, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism.



iterationzero
How are the "four majors" decided, exactly, in your estimation? Especially since you didn't include Judaism, which is the first Abrahamic religion before Christianity and Islam?


I dont recognise Abraham at all, the Order of the Melchizedeks trumps. I dont see christianity/judaism as separate, they are a totality. If the two communities have a problem its in the fact one doesnt accept the messiah of the other and is waiting for another. As the texts are written is up to interpretation (not my problem). The Bible is two texts, the old and the new combined.


VHB

Atheism is AT LEAST recognised as a 'reactionary legalistic term' for a belief system.



IZero
Atheism is a lack of belief, not a belief system.


Atheism is a firm belief system, as is agnosisim, how else would such an idea rear its head to formulate an IDEAFORM that became matterform (actionary).



VHB
Satanism, no churches in my area as to be seen unless invisible (or existing diabolically within secret basements of existing edifaces; starting with Vatican City/St.Peters).



iterationzero
So whether something is popular or not is what decides if it is a religion, in your estimation?


Popular? The Essenses were a tiny sect in Qumran at 0.AD, they were forced to vacate, disband by the Roman Army 70AD, (left the dead sea scrolls hidden), Gnostics. They are not a 'religion' so much as adhering to a belief system (guess they didnt apply for a tax exempt status with Herod, not sure they adhered to sacifical mandates either).
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posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:31 PM
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You think Solon, Pythagoras, Plato and the like were really Jews?



According to Sumerian mythology, the gods originally created humans as "servants" as existed in Babylon and then Egypt for the first cycle of humanity.

Greek as Hebrews? that's weird... I never learned about that in school sorry windword.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:33 PM
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which brings me to the eye of providence hovering over the "incomplete" pyramid




posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:37 PM
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As I said, Democracy is in the Bible. It doesn't originate in Babylon or Sumer. Demoncracy comes from the Greeks. The Romans gave us governors, the Senate and senators.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:38 PM
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we trust in God! not the Pharaoh... or another man such as atheism and communism would have it.

In God We Trust



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:55 PM
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In God We Trust


Erm. That's not in the Constitution or the Bill of rights. It is on our money. I guess we know what God "they" really "trust" in after all! Eh?



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 08:57 PM
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this is civilization building children, it's not a secret or a mystery... it is the Truth!



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