Measles Cases Triple in U.S., Vaccine Refusal Here and Elsewhere to Blame

hiddencode
Here's one of the best Big Pharma Whistle-blowers, he's from executive level. Just a matter of time until he has a 'Car Crash' or 'Heart Attack' no doubt, spread this around. If this is what an executive says, we all need to take his words very seriously.

Big Pharma exec turned Whistle blower

How can anyone trust a vaccine from companies like those? You can't, if you're informed, even if you believe in vaccination, if you think there are more pros than cons to vaccination, you still cannot trust such companies. It's as bad as getting a vaccine made by Monsanto or Black Water. Until someone honest starts making vaccines it's clear that it's safer to avoid them.

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If some vaccines were looked at like motor vehicles and had the crash rate that some vaccines do, they would have been pulled off the market straight away ......... is that a sad reflection of our value systems.

golemina

OneManArmy

Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by Pinkorchid

 

You are wrong.

contrary to your apparent belief "people who are opposed to vaccination" is an "ilk" and is a perfectly valid group to identify.

Are you resorting to sweeping statements again?

tut, tut, tut.

Is it any surprise that people question vaccines when the UK government knowingly colluded with GSK and granted GSK immunity from prosecution so they would produce and supply their MMR vaccination, even after Canada had already withdrawn it because of a PROVEN link to meningitis for the sole reason..it was cheaper than the alternatives.
It was only later withdrawn from the UK AFTER it had damaged more children as a result of what they already knew would happen. And the Government and Pharma have our health in mind?
Is it any wonder that people dont trust Pharma, when this same version of the vaccine is still available and actively being used in the third world.

edit on 201312America/Chicago12pm12pmTue, 10 Dec 2013 16:21:06 -06001213 by OneManArmy because: (no reason given)

You know if it ended there...

Some of us could possibly let it go. But it doesn't.

All of the US acronyms are pretty doing the opposite of what their mandates are supposed to be.

You can go thru the whole list

FDA. Not watching out for the public, squarely in the pocket of Big Pharma.
CDC. Yeah, like they let the public know what is going on...
NIH. They are responsible for 'health'.

Yada Yada Yada

How many times have bad 'batches' of vaccines been released? And what is their reactions?

I dunno... Does something like hide the REAL body count? Purposely redirect the obvious causative factors? We can't NOT call a 'batch' back... Just because of a FEW... genetic defectives!

Yeah, your great- great- grandpa got exposed to MERCURY... That's WHY you are NOW an 'Autistic'!

You pretty much had it coming... YOU LITTLE DEFECTIVE!

No. No. It COULDN'T be our vaccine! It's 100% safe, just ask Alysious!

Nah. SIDS, yeah someone died from in back in 2034BC. See? So SIDS could NOT POSSIBLY be caused by inoculations!

I think I'm starting to see the depth of our problem...

BTW... THANKS! for being here PinkOrchid! Some of us kind of like your 'ilk'...

edit on 10-12-2013 by golemina because: word reveral.

edit on 10-12-2013 by golemina because: Almost missed saying... THANKS!

Oh indeed, we find ourselves in agreement even if only shortly, lol. I have debated with Aloysius before, I know hes a stickler for provable, independently verifiable facts, so I pulled out my "BIG GUN".
The evidence for Pharma mistakes and cover ups is pretty substantial, its not like "chemtrails".

hiddencode

How can anyone trust a vaccine from companies like those? You can't, if you're informed, even if you believe in vaccination, if you think there are more pros and cons to vaccination, you still cannot trust such companies. It's as bad as getting a vaccine made by Monsanto or Black Water. Until someone honest starts making vaccines it's clear that it's safer to avoid them.

Exactly, its like asking Jimmy Savile to babysit the kids. (If he was still alive of course)

PplVSNWO
The big-pharma pro-vaxers are blaming unvaccinated for these outbreaks, but what evidence do they have?

While at the same time Big Pharma completely contradict themselves, one minute they claim to care about herd immunity i.e. get more people vaccinated, the next they recommend another of their products Tylenol (Paracetamol) to be taken after vaccination, this is known to stop the vaccines from working. They clearly don't care about herd immunity one bit, they care firstly about selling their vaccines to as many people as possible and secondly about flogging you another one of their products. Big Pharma do not care about health, we can see that, actions speak louder than words, they care only about money money money!

OneManArmy

hiddencode

How can anyone trust a vaccine from companies like those? You can't, if you're informed, even if you believe in vaccination, if you think there are more pros and cons to vaccination, you still cannot trust such companies. It's as bad as getting a vaccine made by Monsanto or Black Water. Until someone honest starts making vaccines it's clear that it's safer to avoid them.

Exactly, its like asking Jimmy Savile to babysit the kids. (If he was still alive of course)

LOL, that's a good way of putting it

hiddencode

PplVSNWO
The big-pharma pro-vaxers are blaming unvaccinated for these outbreaks, but what evidence do they have?

While at the same time Big Pharma completely contradict themselves, one minute they claim to care about herd immunity i.e. get more people vaccinated, the next they recommend another of their products Tylenol (Paracetamol) to be taken after vaccination, this is known to stop the vaccines from working. They clearly don't care about herd immunity one bit, they care firstly about selling their vaccines to as many people as possible and secondly about flogging you another one of their products. Big Pharma do not care about health, we can see that, actions speak louder than words, they care only about money money money!

WOW! A large company concerned about profits? This the world has never seen before!

Oh come on! Those are people trying to sell their product. This Does Not Mean that the product itself is a fake, fraud, danger or anything else negative. This is just capitalism.

Hoping for companies to sell their products for fun seems.. well.. how do you say in this forum? Socialistic?
And really, we all know that companies just want to make money. Do you forbid them to wish to do so?

Are you a commie? (Remember: Germany. East-Germany = socialism/communism. We know about communism. You are not a communist, just someone who distrusts "big pharma", but for the wrong reasons.)

Very true Pinkorchild, I saw someone in another thread here saying that if there was a rollercoaster with a 1 in 55 risk of Autism for your child, would any parent risk it?

Pinkorchid
reply to post by hiddencode

 

If some vaccines were looked at like motor vehicles and had the crash rate that some vaccines do, they would have been pulled off the market straight away ......... is that a sad reflection of our value systems.

ManFromEurope
WOW! A large company concerned about profits? This the world has never seen before!

Oh come on! Those are people trying to sell their product. This Does Not Mean that the product itself is a fake, fraud, danger or anything else negative. This is just capitalism.

Hoping for companies to sell their products for fun seems.. well.. how do you say in this forum? Socialistic?
And really, we all know that companies just want to make money. Do you forbid them to wish to do so?

This is the dark side of capitalism, like the Military-Industrial complex (profiteering from war/killing), it's not to say that there are a not a few honest products which Big Pharma sell, but they've worked out that the real money is in poisoning us, leaving us on their drugs for life. We have to stay evidence-based, and this is what the evidence shows.

They stepped up the vaccine propaganda in Australia, as the Aussies have been getting well-educated on the dangers of vaccination.

PLAYERONE01
reply to post by Tucket

 

well something like that, Down here in Australia we just went through our season of fear mongering with the measles, I've kind of half worked it out.
The propaganda always starts just before winter and runs the full length of the season, coincides with flue shots and they will sell both products together.
I feel each region has a target in sales (as in Pharma vaccine drugs) to meet:
Global Vaccine Action Plan 2011 - 2020
www.who.int...
Weekly Epidemiological Record (WER)
www.who.int...

Vaccination no-shows prompt top-level measles outbreak warning :

www.couriermail.com.au...

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


I have seen the dangers of vaccines first hand, and I gotta say...

I trust nature more than big pharma. Way more.

ManFromEurope

hiddencode

PplVSNWO
The big-pharma pro-vaxers are blaming unvaccinated for these outbreaks, but what evidence do they have?

While at the same time Big Pharma completely contradict themselves, one minute they claim to care about herd immunity i.e. get more people vaccinated, the next they recommend another of their products Tylenol (Paracetamol) to be taken after vaccination, this is known to stop the vaccines from working. They clearly don't care about herd immunity one bit, they care firstly about selling their vaccines to as many people as possible and secondly about flogging you another one of their products. Big Pharma do not care about health, we can see that, actions speak louder than words, they care only about money money money!

WOW! A large company concerned about profits? This the world has never seen before!

Oh come on! Those are people trying to sell their product. This Does Not Mean that the product itself is a fake, fraud, danger or anything else negative. This is just capitalism.

Hoping for companies to sell their products for fun seems.. well.. how do you say in this forum? Socialistic?
And really, we all know that companies just want to make money. Do you forbid them to wish to do so?

Are you a commie? (Remember: Germany. East-Germany = socialism/communism. We know about communism. You are not a communist, just someone who distrusts "big pharma", but for the wrong reasons.)

So what are the "right" reasons to distrust big pharma?
What has communism got to do with it?
Communism is socialism, capitalism is making money for the sake of making money.

I would have thought collusion to deliberately harm children for profit would be a damn good reason.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Looks like the opposite effect is happening with vaccines and drugs , were're actually making viruses better at killing us.

Scientists have found that a mutation in a new strain of bird flu infecting people in China can render it resistant to a key first-line treatment drug without limiting its ability to spread in mammals.

The discovery means that unlike seasonal flu strains, which often become less transmissible when they develop resistance to drugs like Roche's Tamiflu, the new H7N9 bird flu does not lose any of its spreading potential with drug resistance.

While this does not make H7N9 any more likely to develop into a human pandemic, researchers said it means doctors should be prudent in their use of anti-viral medicines to treat H7N9 cases, and consider using drugs other than Tamiflu, such as GlaxoSmithKline's Relenza, where possible.

www.blacklistednews.com...

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


Excerpt:-

If a “dirty bomb” exposed a large segment of US citizens simultaneously to Hepatitis B, Hepatitis A, tetanus, pertussis, diphtheria, Haemophilus influenza B, three strains of polio viruses, 3 strains of influenza viruses, measles, mumps, and rubella viruses, the chickenpox virus, and 7 strains of Streptococcus bacteria, we would declare a national emergency. We would call it an “extreme act of BIOTERRORISM”. The public outcry would be immense and our government would act accordingly.

And yet, those are the very organisms that we inject through vaccines into our babies and our small children, with immature, underdeveloped immune systems. Many are given all at the same time. But instead of bioterrorism, we call it “protection.” Reflect a moment on that irony.


Vaccine injuries are reported to be “rare”, but only because very few reactions are “accepted” by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the Institutes of Medicine (IOM) and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) as being caused by vaccines. I have frequently said that when a vaccine is given, and a bad reaction occurs, “ANYTHING BUT” the vaccine is “blamed” for the reaction. Here is a direct quote from the 6th edition of Epidemiology & Prevention of Vaccine-Preventable Diseases called “The Pink Book”, published by the CDC:


“There is no distinct syndrome from vaccine administration, and therefore, many temporally associated adverse events probably represent background illness rather than illness caused by the vaccine…The DTaP may stimulate or precipitate inevitable symptoms of underlying CNS disorder, such as seizures, infantile spasms, epilepsy or SIDS. By chance alone, some of these cases will seem to be temporally related to DTaP.”

I have to admit, the first time I read that, I cried. Instead of blaming the vaccine for causing the problem, we blame the children for somehow being defective and the “defect” shows up after we inject them.

www.newswithviews.com...

Dr. Sherri Tenpennyis respected as one of the country’s most knowledgeable and outspoken physicians regarding the impact of vaccines on health.
Dr. Tenpenny is an outspoken advocate for free choice in healthcare, including the right to refuse vaccination. As an internationally known speaker, she is highly sought after for her ability to present scientifically sound information regarding vaccination hazard and warnings that are rarely portrayed by conventional medicine.

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Text SIDS, yeah someone died from in back in 2034BC. See? So SIDS could NOT POSSIBLY be caused by inoculations!

You have stated several times that SIDS is caused by vaccination, 100%.
YOU have obviously not lost a child to SIDS, or known a close family member who has, or you would have done some research and come to your own conclusion that the information you are so adamant about is false.
PLEASE stop spreading false information about SIDS. IT IS NOT caused 100% by vaccinations.
MISS Nugget

Pinkorchid
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

www.newswithviews.com...

Dr. Sherri Tenpennyis respected as one of the country’s most knowledgeable and outspoken physicians regarding the impact of vaccines on health.
Dr. Tenpenny is an outspoken advocate for free choice in healthcare, including the right to refuse vaccination. As an internationally known speaker, she is highly sought after for her ability to present scientifically sound information regarding vaccination hazard and warnings that are rarely portrayed by conventional medicine.

that quote is taken directly from Tenpenny's page about herself.......which is, of course, [cough] completely unbiased and trustworthy [/cough]...

An actual assessment of her by someone else has a "slightly" different take:

No. No, she’s not. Paul Offit is a nationally known vaccine expert. Dr. Tenpenny is not. If you’re going to call yourself an expert on vaccines and vaccine-preventable diseases, you should probably have training in infectious disease or immunology and you should probably have published significant research. Tenpenny is a washed-up osteopath who has given up real practice to pursue the one vestige of quackery left in osteopathic education—manipulation.

-Lies, damned lies and idiots

It is laughable that you fob off actual science as "lies of big pharma" or similar - and yet you believe the completely unsupported assertions of charlatans like this as if they were gospel.

Just where do you get the audacity to ignore evidence and believe drivel??

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Viera Scheibner is a retired principal research scientist with a doctorate in natural sciences. During her distinguished career, she has published three books and 90 scientific papers in prestigious scientific journals. Since the mid-80's, she has done extensive research into vaccines and vaccinations. Her first research was in the area of Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS). She wasn't even studying vaccinations, but she stumbled onto a relationship between SIDS and vaccinations that lead to a very deep study into vaccination literature in medical journals. In 1983, she published her book on the results of her research Vaccination: The Medical Assault on the Immune System. She often provides expert reports for court cases involving immunizations and vaccine-damaged individuals throughout the world.

In 1985, I was introduced into the world of vaccinations through a breathing monitor invented by my husband, Leif Karlsson, who was a bio-medical engineer specializing in patient monitoring systems. Leif developed a computerized breathing monitor for babies which we called "Cotwatch", short for 'watching the cot'. Our monitor gives computer print-outs, and you can monitor for weeks on end, because Cotwatch is a non-touch medical technology. The sensor pad goes under the mattress; nothing is attached to the baby and the baby can roll all over the cot while the breathing is monitored. In 1986, pediatric researchers studying Crib Death Syndrome or Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) believed babies were dying because of an inborn fault in the breathing control center in the brain. So they concentrated their studies on breathing. Many parents opted for monitoring their newborn babies' breathing at home, and we collected feedback from all parents who used our monitor in this research.

OUR FIRST CASE HISTORY This baby was put on our monitor before he was vaccinated, and for more than three weeks, there were hardly any alarms at all. Then suddenly, the mother recorded a whole series of alarms. We thought there was a defect in the monitor, and I sent a different unit, but the alarms continued. After one night when they had six alarms in 24 hours their pediatrician advised them to stop monitoring. But if you have alarms on certain days and no alarms on other days, it is not the equipment malfunctioning; there is good reason for alarms like that. I transferred the baby's forms onto a graph, but did not understand it at the time. Five years later, I telephoned the mother and asked her when the child was vaccinated. The first injection was given one day before these alarms started. The child hadn't even recovered before the second injection was given. So there was a high level of stress caused by vaccines even when the child was not dying. There were no alarms before vaccination, and then a series of alarms. The alarms sound to tell you that your child is under stress when their breathing is shallow (hypopneas) or when their breathing ceases temporily (apneas).

We then informed the pediatric and SIDS researchers that the babies were having alarms after vaccinations. We were not critical of vaccines and we didn't even know about the raging controversy surrounding vaccinations. At this point, the Crib Death Management Center pediatricians stopped sending parents to get our monitor. They didn't want parents to know that vaccines were stressing their children. Until that time, I was actually pro-vaccination.

LITERATURE SEARCH ON SIDS Then I asked myself, are we the only people who stumbled over the dangers of vaccines? Does the medical profession know about all this? Is there anything published in the medical literature? I began to do research in medical libraries, and to my absolute astonishment, there is no end to it. For my book, Vaccination, I studied more than 30,000 pages of data published in medical journals about Crib Deaths after vaccinations. In one study, there were 41 babies who died within 21 days of their first Triple Antigen injection, and there was a clustering of these deaths along those critical days we recorded in the babies' breathing after vaccination. This is the ultimate evidence of the causal link between the administration of those vaccines and these deaths. In the so-called "Tennessee Deaths", hundreds of babies died there, after their DPT injections. We soon established that the vaccines are killing babies, and Crib Deaths (SIDS) are 95% vaccine deaths.

MORE AT THIS LINK www.consumerhealth.org...

For complete scientific references to research discussed in this article, please see Vaccination: 100 Years of Orthodox Research Shows that Vaccines Represent a Medical Assault on the Immune System by Viera Scheibner.

I'm having a hard time understanding why the 'pro-vaxers' are so upset. Their children are immune, so what's the problem here?

nugget1
I'm having a hard time understanding why the 'pro-vaxers' are so upset. Their children are immune, so what's the problem here?

Vaccines (unfortunately) aren't 100% effective. Also, children who are too young to have been immunized or are unable to be immunized due to some other reason (e.g. allergic reaction) can still be affected.

Personally I just get frustrated at the continued propagation of myths and half-truths about vaccines, the immune system, biology, and science in general.

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul


You asked you get :-

In June 2000, a group of top government scientists and health officials gathered for a meeting at the isolated Simpsonwood conference center in Norcross, Ga. Convened by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the meeting was held at this Methodist retreat center, nestled in wooded farmland next to the Chattahoochee River, to ensure complete secrecy. The agency had issued no public announcement of the session - only private invitations to 52 attendees. There were high-level officials from the CDC and the Food and Drug Administration, the top vaccine specialist from the World Health Organization in Geneva, and representatives of every major vaccine manufacturer, including GlaxoSmithKline, Merck, Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur. All of the scientific data under discussion, CDC officials repeatedly reminded the participants, was strictly "embargoed." There would be no making photocopies of documents, no taking papers with them when they left. -

The federal officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss a disturbing new study that raised alarming questions about the safety of a host of common childhood vaccines administered to infants and young children. According to a CDC epidemiologist named Tom Verstraeten, who had analyzed the agency's massive database containing the medical records of 100,000 children, a mercury-based preservative in the vaccines - thimerosal - appeared to be responsible for a dramatic increase in autism and a host of other neurological disorders among children. "I was actually stunned by what I saw," Verstraeten told those assembled at Simpsonwood, citing the staggering number of earlier studies that indicate a link between thimerosal and speech delays, attention-deficit disorder, hyperactivity and autism. Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants - in one case, within hours of birth - the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteenfold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children. -

Even for scientists and doctors accustomed to confronting issues of life and death, the findings were frightening. "You can play with this all you want," Dr. Bill Weil, a consultant for the American Academy of Pediatrics, told the group. The results "are statistically significant." Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and pediatrician from the University of Colorado whose grandson had been born early on the morning of the meeting's first day, was even more alarmed. "My gut feeling?" he said. "Forgive this personal comment - I do not want my grandson to get a thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what is going on." - See more at: www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com...

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