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Measles Cases Triple in U.S., Vaccine Refusal Here and Elsewhere to Blame

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posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 02:38 PM
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Please don't lump Monkeys with him..not kind to our evolutionary cousins

edit on 9-12-2013 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)




posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 02:39 PM
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boncho
reply to post by golemina


Nah, they didn't die from 'lack of health care'...
They died from malnutrition and polluted environments and polluted water and polluted foodstuff.
Just look at modern China... those people care 0% about their own people...
And those are the nice folks... polluting our food streams...
Killing our pets with their insanely contaminated food stuffs...
Accident?
No. 'Things' are EXACTLY the way they are by DESIGN.
If we cared about the quality of our food, we would only deal with cultures like Japan...
Where it is a HUGE DISHONOR to do what the Chinese do...
Without even thinking twice.

BTW, your 'chart'... Not so credible.

 


Uh ok. So you watched a documentary on China and you watched Samurai movies…

It's a wonder why anyone needed to invent/isolate antibiotics, since everyone had super immune systems in the past and never died of disease.


Do you have any type of structured response?

Derision? to a heretic such as myself... only merits a chuckle.


One of the things about continuing to use circular logic and a failed paradigm ('medical' 'disease model')...

Is it doesn't synch to REALITY...

So your 'medical' marvel 'anti-biotics' mysteriously and somewhat suddenly appears to stop working...

Where have those these 'anti-biotic' resistant strains come from?

Remember? Hint: Recent CDC ramblings?




posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 02:43 PM
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reply to post by crazyewok
 


Are you saying that you have a vested financial interest in the proliferation of vaccines?



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 02:53 PM
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crazyewok

golemina

Remember big guy, I source ALL of my own stuff.

You know... One of the bennies of having the ability to remember long lists of useless facts!



Which makes all of what you say even more BS.


Id rather go with decades of independant peer reviewed data and my OWN lab data.




Please 'peer review'... Another failed paradigm.

On paper... sounds great! The REALITY... NOT so much.

The result of 'peer review'... a parade of PARROTS all mouthing the SAME thing...

Incapable of INDEPENDENT (with an 'e'
) thought.

Anyone not guilty of consensus... is ostracized!

The FAILED scheme you are apparently so proud of is what has brought us such wonderful schemes as the treatment of CHEMOTHERAPY for 'cancer'.

All 'chemo' is... is a slaughterhouse of the gullible (and the trusting...) for profit!

Ding! We're killing you... but you still owe us US $300,000.

Here! Have a pink ribbon!



There is NO SUCH 'disease' as 'cancer'!

There is extreme toxicity from self and environmental poisoning.

EASILY CURED! with simple diet and clean water.

Galling... isn't it?




posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 02:56 PM
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reply to post by boymonkey74
 


Understood.

My apologies.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 02:57 PM
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reply to post by webedoomed
 


No problem



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:03 PM
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golemina

There is NO SUCH 'disease' as 'cancer'!

There is extreme toxicity from self and environmental poisoning.

EASILY CURED! with simple diet and clean water.

Galling... isn't it?





It took more than clean water and a simple diet to heal my friends cancer.
It eventually took £500,000 worth of chemotherapy, radiotherapy and far too many pharmaceuticals than are safe for anyone.
But at least hes alive, I have a distinct feeling that had he relied on water and food to pick him up when he collapsed, he would be dead.
Call me crazy.

I do agree that the cause was environmental, he was handling far eastern plywood all day.

edit on 201312America/Chicago12pm12pmMon, 09 Dec 2013 15:04:25 -06001213 by OneManArmy because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:03 PM
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golemina

crazyewok

golemina

Remember big guy, I source ALL of my own stuff.

You know... One of the bennies of having the ability to remember long lists of useless facts!



Which makes all of what you say even more BS.


Id rather go with decades of independant peer reviewed data and my OWN lab data.




Please 'peer review'... Another failed paradigm.

On paper... sounds great! The REALITY... NOT so much.

The result of 'peer review'... a parade of PARROTS all mouthing the SAME thing...

Incapable of INDEPENDENT (with an 'e'
) thought.

Anyone not guilty of consensus... is ostracized!

The FAILED scheme you are apparently so proud of is what has brought us such wonderful schemes as the treatment of CHEMOTHERAPY for 'cancer'.

All 'chemo' is... is a slaughterhouse of the gullible (and the trusting...) for profit!

Ding! We're killing you... but you still owe us US $300,000.

Here! Have a pink ribbon!



There is NO SUCH 'disease' as 'cancer'!

There is extreme toxicity from self and environmental poisoning.

EASILY CURED! with simple diet and clean water.

Galling... isn't it?





You can cure cancer with a simple diet and water?
And I take it that you can substantiate this claim?



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:06 PM
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Pinkorchid
reply to post by crazyewok
 


Are you saying that you have a vested financial interest in the proliferation of vaccines?


Not anymore i dont i moved on to other things.

But i have a Degree that covers both immunology and microbiology plus 4 years in the industry.

A lot of crap goes on in big pharma hence why i left.
BUT
The majority of vaccines work, are safe and the data is not fake.
And thats not from pharma sponserd research but backed up by data from independant universitys around the world over decades.

Pick on HPV or flu shots but dont be a fool and attack polio, tetnus, yellow fever, measals and vaccines for other deadly or crippling infections.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:07 PM
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Pardon?

golemina

crazyewok

golemina

Remember big guy, I source ALL of my own stuff.

You know... One of the bennies of having the ability to remember long lists of useless facts!



Which makes all of what you say even more BS.


Id rather go with decades of independant peer reviewed data and my OWN lab data.




Please 'peer review'... Another failed paradigm.

On paper... sounds great! The REALITY... NOT so much.

The result of 'peer review'... a parade of PARROTS all mouthing the SAME thing...

Incapable of INDEPENDENT (with an 'e'
) thought.

Anyone not guilty of consensus... is ostracized!

The FAILED scheme you are apparently so proud of is what has brought us such wonderful schemes as the treatment of CHEMOTHERAPY for 'cancer'.

All 'chemo' is... is a slaughterhouse of the gullible (and the trusting...) for profit!

Ding! We're killing you... but you still owe us US $300,000.

Here! Have a pink ribbon!



There is NO SUCH 'disease' as 'cancer'!

There is extreme toxicity from self and environmental poisoning.

EASILY CURED! with simple diet and clean water.

Galling... isn't it?





You can cure cancer with a simple diet and water?
And I take it that you can substantiate this claim?


Here we are on the same side suddenly, who would have thunk it eh?
Im surprised. I cant give my rational argument against vaccination and big pharma when this madness is going on.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:07 PM
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crazyewok
reply to post by golemina
 


You know what there is no debateing with people like you.


You guys just cant seem to comprehend simple 101 science.



Aux contraire mon vieux!

I understand it better than you.

I understand the limitations of your approach, your mindset, your inability to adjust to the evolution of the theoretical basis for the paradigm in question.

Most importantly, I understand RESULTS.

So when some 'wack' job such as myself makes these seemingly insane assertions... I actually go look at it.

My answer is always: 'Show me!'

That is what is called Science!

The approach you are championing... that my friend is called 'science'.

It's a ginormous farce!

The only thing it's good for is... business.




posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:08 PM
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Did he really just say there is no such thing as cancer?

Really he just said that?

Let me guess there no such thing as microbes too?



He trolling right? Really tell me this guys trolling?



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:09 PM
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reply to post by crazyewok
 


Of course he is, just don't feed him.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:11 PM
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OneManArmy

Pardon?

golemina

crazyewok

golemina

Remember big guy, I source ALL of my own stuff.

You know... One of the bennies of having the ability to remember long lists of useless facts!



Which makes all of what you say even more BS.


Id rather go with decades of independant peer reviewed data and my OWN lab data.




Please 'peer review'... Another failed paradigm.

On paper... sounds great! The REALITY... NOT so much.

The result of 'peer review'... a parade of PARROTS all mouthing the SAME thing...

Incapable of INDEPENDENT (with an 'e'
) thought.

Anyone not guilty of consensus... is ostracized!

The FAILED scheme you are apparently so proud of is what has brought us such wonderful schemes as the treatment of CHEMOTHERAPY for 'cancer'.

All 'chemo' is... is a slaughterhouse of the gullible (and the trusting...) for profit!

Ding! We're killing you... but you still owe us US $300,000.

Here! Have a pink ribbon!



There is NO SUCH 'disease' as 'cancer'!

There is extreme toxicity from self and environmental poisoning.

EASILY CURED! with simple diet and clean water.

Galling... isn't it?





You can cure cancer with a simple diet and water?
And I take it that you can substantiate this claim?


Here we are on the same side suddenly, who would have thunk it eh?
Im surprised. I cant give my rational argument against vaccination and big pharma when this madness is going on.




ANYONE can...

It's not rocket surgery!

Thousands of people do THAT every year.

Course MDs kill millions... but I digress.

You can figure it out too...

Don't take my word for it... I am 'wack' job!


Go look at the people who survived using alternative treatments and actually talk to them...

Then... Go to talk to people that have survived using CHEMO...

Oh wait!

Houston... We have a problem!

(Not too many of them
)

People have been surviving CHEMOTHERAPY by the millions... since the 1900s...

Right guys?




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posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:11 PM
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boymonkey74
reply to post by crazyewok
 


Of course he is, just don't feed him.



If its not a troll i hope hes not from the uk and came from our school systems.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:12 PM
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golemina

crazyewok
reply to post by golemina
 


You know what there is no debateing with people like you.


You guys just cant seem to comprehend simple 101 science.



Aux contraire mon vieux!

I understand it better than you.

I understand the limitations of your approach, your mindset, your inability to adjust to the evolution of the theoretical basis for the paradigm in question.

Most importantly, I understand RESULTS.

So when some 'wack' job such as myself makes these seemingly insane assertions... I actually go look at it.

My answer is always: 'Show me!'

That is what is called Science!

The approach you are championing... that my friend is called 'science'.

It's a ginormous farce!

The only thing it's good for is... business.



So as you say...."Show me".
Where is your supporting evidence?, because the claims are extraordinary.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:13 PM
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There was once this guy named Steve Jobs. ... who believed in similar things, and tried this exact method ... I forget what happened to that guy.. you recall?


Look, your approach is offsetting to members, because it's extreme, and reason doesn't back your claims in full. You need to get a grip and separate the tidbits of truth within your words, from the ridiculous absolute judgments.

I have little doubt that cleaning up our environment and diets would lessen rates of cancer in a society, but that's quite different from claiming cancer can always be treated with clean water and food. Sometimes the body has been sufficiently damaged to the extent that no amount of natural nourishment will rid their burdens. As insane as it seems, sometimes you gotta throw a hail-mary and nuke the sucker.

If I were to get cancer, I'd probably do the same thing Jobs did, and hold off surgery until I was certain that all other avenues had been taken first. Didn't work for him. Might be working for others. I'm willing to personally take the risk, but am not so foolish to be making an absolute claim and potentially influencing people in a life-threatening situation towards the wrong choice.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:14 PM
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OneManArmy

Pardon?

golemina

crazyewok

golemina

Remember big guy, I source ALL of my own stuff.

You know... One of the bennies of having the ability to remember long lists of useless facts!



Which makes all of what you say even more BS.


Id rather go with decades of independant peer reviewed data and my OWN lab data.




Please 'peer review'... Another failed paradigm.

On paper... sounds great! The REALITY... NOT so much.

The result of 'peer review'... a parade of PARROTS all mouthing the SAME thing...

Incapable of INDEPENDENT (with an 'e'
) thought.

Anyone not guilty of consensus... is ostracized!

The FAILED scheme you are apparently so proud of is what has brought us such wonderful schemes as the treatment of CHEMOTHERAPY for 'cancer'.

All 'chemo' is... is a slaughterhouse of the gullible (and the trusting...) for profit!

Ding! We're killing you... but you still owe us US $300,000.

Here! Have a pink ribbon!



There is NO SUCH 'disease' as 'cancer'!

There is extreme toxicity from self and environmental poisoning.

EASILY CURED! with simple diet and clean water.

Galling... isn't it?





You can cure cancer with a simple diet and water?
And I take it that you can substantiate this claim?


Here we are on the same side suddenly, who would have thunk it eh?
Im surprised. I cant give my rational argument against vaccination and big pharma when this madness is going on.


I'm not really on anyone's side as such.
If he can show proper evidence that he can cure cancer with diet and water I'll back him to the hilt.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:16 PM
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Pardon?

OneManArmy

Pardon?

golemina

crazyewok

golemina

Remember big guy, I source ALL of my own stuff.

You know... One of the bennies of having the ability to remember long lists of useless facts!



Which makes all of what you say even more BS.


Id rather go with decades of independant peer reviewed data and my OWN lab data.




Please 'peer review'... Another failed paradigm.

On paper... sounds great! The REALITY... NOT so much.

The result of 'peer review'... a parade of PARROTS all mouthing the SAME thing...

Incapable of INDEPENDENT (with an 'e'
) thought.

Anyone not guilty of consensus... is ostracized!

The FAILED scheme you are apparently so proud of is what has brought us such wonderful schemes as the treatment of CHEMOTHERAPY for 'cancer'.

All 'chemo' is... is a slaughterhouse of the gullible (and the trusting...) for profit!

Ding! We're killing you... but you still owe us US $300,000.

Here! Have a pink ribbon!



There is NO SUCH 'disease' as 'cancer'!

There is extreme toxicity from self and environmental poisoning.

EASILY CURED! with simple diet and clean water.

Galling... isn't it?





You can cure cancer with a simple diet and water?
And I take it that you can substantiate this claim?


Here we are on the same side suddenly, who would have thunk it eh?
Im surprised. I cant give my rational argument against vaccination and big pharma when this madness is going on.


I'm not really on anyone's side as such.
If he can show proper evidence that he can cure cancer with diet and water I'll back him to the hilt.



If he could show any evidence, Id be happy.

Looks like my attempt at humour was wasted with you. My bad.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 03:19 PM
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OneManArmy

Pardon?

OneManArmy

Pardon?

golemina

crazyewok

golemina

Remember big guy, I source ALL of my own stuff.

You know... One of the bennies of having the ability to remember long lists of useless facts!



Which makes all of what you say even more BS.


Id rather go with decades of independant peer reviewed data and my OWN lab data.




Please 'peer review'... Another failed paradigm.

On paper... sounds great! The REALITY... NOT so much.

The result of 'peer review'... a parade of PARROTS all mouthing the SAME thing...

Incapable of INDEPENDENT (with an 'e'
) thought.

Anyone not guilty of consensus... is ostracized!

The FAILED scheme you are apparently so proud of is what has brought us such wonderful schemes as the treatment of CHEMOTHERAPY for 'cancer'.

All 'chemo' is... is a slaughterhouse of the gullible (and the trusting...) for profit!

Ding! We're killing you... but you still owe us US $300,000.

Here! Have a pink ribbon!



There is NO SUCH 'disease' as 'cancer'!

There is extreme toxicity from self and environmental poisoning.

EASILY CURED! with simple diet and clean water.

Galling... isn't it?





You can cure cancer with a simple diet and water?
And I take it that you can substantiate this claim?


Here we are on the same side suddenly, who would have thunk it eh?
Im surprised. I cant give my rational argument against vaccination and big pharma when this madness is going on.


I'm not really on anyone's side as such.
If he can show proper evidence that he can cure cancer with diet and water I'll back him to the hilt.



If he could show any evidence, Id be happy.

Looks like my attempt at humour was wasted with you. My bad.


As was mine on you.
Fair enough comment though, my sarcasm wasn't overly evident.



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