Research of the beast of Revelation. Possible April 2014

mOjOm

Spookybelle

SRS82

mOjOm
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Ok, but is the Book of Revelations a Parable??

Is it obvious and easy to understand if you don't seek knowledge of the things of the creator?

No.

Exactly.

Maybe God made Revelations so confusing so that he could separate the people who actually get the message as opposed to those who focus on trying to figure it out.

There is no special message hidden in Revelations and its a distraction that non-believers fall for while searching for understanding.

A true Christian simply understands that Revelations is not some riddle to be undone but God saying that the end times will not be very pretty.

If your distracted looking for hidden messages you are not following Gods Word.

So you're saying that the OP is NOT getting the message because he's "Figuring Out" the message from the bible in this very thread???

Once again is this idea that a "True Christian" just understands the Real Truth of the Holy Word of Our Most High LORD GOD!!! But that is BS because not any Two True Christians that I've ever seen can ever totally agree. So I guess that must be because they Just don't have what it takes, or they weren't "chosen" to know, or they aren't "seeking" properly. It's a lie. I mean come on, how many thousands of people are still to this day UnConfusing the word of God for everyone else???

donyeyo
Maybe I'm uninspired, but I find it very difficult to even attempt to make predictions based on literal readings of text supposedly written 2000 years ago of which we don't even have the original material. Anybody can sit down with a scotch in hand and come up with all kinds of interpretations that would be as valid as anyone else's, and which more than anything would just reflect or advance his own beliefs and prejudices.

It's fun though, to see the interpretations people come up with.

mOjOm

donyeyo
Maybe I'm uninspired, but I find it very difficult to even attempt to make predictions based on literal readings of text supposedly written 2000 years ago of which we don't even have the original material. Anybody can sit down with a scotch in hand and come up with all kinds of interpretations that would be as valid as anyone else's, and which more than anything would just reflect or advance his own beliefs and prejudices.

It's fun though, to see the interpretations people come up with.

Exactly!!

Same thing I was getting at above. Any debate about the True and Correct Meaning when it comes to Biblical texts seems to degrade quickly from actually discussing the material to one side making the claim that the other is wrong and the reason they are wrong is because for some reason they are not a "True" enough follower to understand what is actually written.

It's just making an unsubstantiated claim of Higher Intellectual Superiority over another about "What is True". While putting the blame on the other person and their apparent shortcomings mentally or spiritually for why "they believe the wrong things." That just isn't intellectually honest to do toward another in my opinion.

It's like saying, "Well, you're wrong because you don't really love God properly and that's why you are too stupid to understand the bible for yourself." That's just wrong and rude.

SRS82

I think that you didn't read the second line of my first post:

"Do not take this text as absolute truth, do your own research, never trust any man."

You seek the things of the creator if you love him.

That's what I'm trying to do.

mOjOm

SRS82

I think that you didn't read the second line of my first post:

"Do not take this text as absolute truth, do your own research, never trust any man."

You seek the things of the creator if you love him.

That's what I'm trying to do.

So shouldn't you also question "the Man" and how trustworthy "His" word is that wrote it. Or the Trust in those who decided to include it in the bible. Who may have "corrected" the translations even.

I mean just how much do you Trust that it was God who intended The Bible anyway. It's written by men who say God inspired every word through them. But so what. What else would you expect them to say?? Something like, "Ya this is just some cool stuff I came up with to convince people to think and act in the way I want them to act."

I don't think that would be enough to make it stick for some people, ya know what I mean??

And if you're still working on understanding the message of what is written, how can you make the claim that someones "love for the creator" of that message would have any effect on them understanding the topic they are researching.

Are you saying that God uses his Divine Power to confuse people if they don't Love Him Enough??
If that's how it works then nobody would ever have a chance. How would anyone be able to Truely Love Something that they are still trying to understand while having thier ability to understand it reduced even more for not getting it right away??

Spookybelle

When you get tied up in this meaning or that meaning you miss the larger point. Your not going to Hell if you don't understand what revelations means. Your not going to Heaven if you do.

SRS82

I'm not going to debate over that.

If you already read the whole bible and apocrypha books and other related things and did whatever you could and still don't believe, that is up to you.

The predictions and the prophecies that I posted is the goal of my thread. If you want to add anything related to them or show me some mistakes I'll be happy to talk about it.

Spookybelle
Yes, the thread is very well done and quite interesting indeed.

Apologies if I detracted from your point. That was not my intention.

mOjOm

SRS82

I'm not going to debate over that.

If you already read the whole bible and apocrypha books and other related things and did whatever you could and still don't believe, that is up to you.

The predictions and the prophecies that I posted is the goal of my thread. If you want to add anything related to them or show me some mistakes I'll be happy to talk about it.

I actually think your theory is cool and interesting not to mention a great job on linking up details and symbols and texts to come up with a somewhat unique answer to the riddle of what is really being said within prophetic scripture. So I wouldn't even try and claim to know if you are wrong or right at all. I'm not sure if anyone could.

But since I doubt the credibility of the Source Material including the Reliability of the Source itself, I do not yet see how probable it is that there is even some valid hidden truth to be found in it regardless of how many points of it you can link together.

It's like working on a Theory about text written by Nostradamus. Before trying to decipher the Truth from his Cryptic Style of Prophetic Works, I find it first important to verify if there is any such Truth to find there in the first place. Or else all I would really be finding is just wild ideas being created by myself.

mOjOm
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There are a few others I've read like this which also tied many different "clues" so to speak, together to form very interesting and strangely detailed answers to what Revelations is actually trying to explain. What I've always found incredible is just how many links are actually made. They all seem so unlikely to happen while individually each clue is sorta odd and out of place on it's own too.

This all makes it so much more amazing and ironically also more believable. Because such strange connections just don't seem possible if they don't actually fit together, right??? At least that is the effect it seems to have.

Yet after many of those same "Ah Ha!" moments over time, you start realizing that maybe such "rare gems" as these clues and ideas seem to be, they really aren't as Unique and Impressive as they seem to be. I sometimes think maybe we find things to be more impressive and special than they really are and we just don't realize it right away.