YF 23 - going to be used?

Originally posted by ghost
We can debate this forever, but the bottom line is this: The Pentagon said, both the YF-22 and the YF-23 prototypes improved upon the origional contract requirements! Either plane could forfill the ATF mission easily.

Now as for the marits, I feel Both plane had areas of advantage, and areas of disadvantage! I feel it came down to politics over product. The F-23 was the better design, but General Dynamics (who was on the F-22 team) pulled strings at the Pentagon to get the Contract. (NOTE: General Dynamics is the company who Cheated the US tax payers out of $5 Billion on the Navy's A-12 program (which was cancled in 1991) At the end of the Day, the proof of the ATF won't come from DC, or tests at Edwards AFB, but when it has to face an enemy in Air to Air combat, and the lives of Americans are on the line!

I'll admit Noprthrop builds expensive planes, but they deliver on their promises every time (Look at the F-14, the E-8, B-2, and the E-2)!

Tim
ATS Director of Counter-Ignorance

Because of the work already done on the F-22, developing the FB-22 might cost about $5 billion to $7 billion – a fraction of the price for starting a bomber from scratch. FB-22 flights could begin by 2013. Starting a second final assembly line for the FB-22 at Boeing is under consideration, since Boeing makes the F-22's wings.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
The FB-22 is a couple of years away but it would be a good replacement for the B-1 and possibly the B-2. It would be faster than the B-1 and it would be as stealth if not more than the B-2. And why do they have the FB instead of just the B designation is beyond me do they seriously think they can have a bomber and a fighter? Also it done have anything to do with the YF-23 is just an expanded F-22.

Originally posted by WestPoint23
The FB-22 is a couple of years away but it would be a good replacement for the B-1 and possibly the B-2. It would be faster than the B-1 and it would be as stealth if not more than the B-2. And why do they have the FB instead of just the B designation is beyond me do they seriously think they can have a bomber and a fighter? Also it done have anything to do with the YF-23 is just an expanded F-22.

FB-22

Originally posted by WestPoint23
the YF-23 is just an expanded F-22.

The F/B-22 could NOT replace either the B-1 or the B-2. They are both nuclear both strategic nuclear bombers - the F/B-22 will not be able to carry nuclear weapons. It also can not carry close to the number of bombs that either the B-1 or B-2 can. I do agree though that it could help replace the B-1 in some strike roles.

Originally posted by BillHicksRules
WP,



I do not think so.

Try doing some research BEFORE you post. May I point you in the direction of the Dorling Kindersley title "My First Book on Modern Combat Aircraft"

Cheers

BHR

Originally posted by zakattack


BHR you seem to think that you know more then anyone else by telling somone to do research before they post, well several Books I have and Modern air combat Books and magazines and popular science talk about The FB-22 being created from the F-22 airframe, or it even talks about reconstructin a F-22 already in use and converting it to the FB-22 For costs reasons,

So far your posts here have been on the negative side, and as far as ChrisT goes, keep in mind that he a fighter pilot and your not, so that means he is always a better pilot then you.

oh yeah do your research

Originally posted by devilwasp
Westy he is right, the YF-23 has a diffrent mission and diffrent abilities than the F-22 have....I dare to think of an airforce with both

Originally posted by devilwasp
Depends what you judge "better" as...
Hey if the US hadnt gone to iraq mabye they could have afforeded the YF-23?

Originally posted by BillHicksRules
Dear all,

There seems to be some growing confusion here. So lets clear some things up.

The YF-23 competed against the YF-22 for the ATF contract. It lost. The YF-22 won and became the F-22 in service.
If this is to confusing for you to grasp think of it like the current F-35. It was the YF-35 competing against the YF-32 for the JSF contract and when it won it became the F-35.
For those of an older generation, think of the A-10 beating the A-9 or the YAH-63 being beaten by the YAH-64, which became the AH-64 Apached we know and love today.

Now to bring this back, if anyone has a link to a reputable site about the use of YF-23 airframes for testing for some new role then please post them so we can move on with this.

Cheers

BHR