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Avoiding Spiritual Burnout and Dark Night of the Soul

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posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 12:45 PM
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Finding balance is one thing.
Nobody controls the 'dream state'.
That is in fact the core problem;
Trying to do that and inevitably failing;
That is the cause of burnout and dark night.




posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 12:49 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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...First things first.
...Have you ever felt a hole in your heart or mind?
Have you ever felt an incompleteness or fear or existential worry? Or a thirst to know the unknowable? Or to not ever be alone even when alone?

Thanks.
I have, of course, felt all of these - presumably.
I say 'presumably', though, because I don't know that, indeed, these are what I have felt, or if they are what I have been conditioned & trained to feel.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 12:53 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by Itisnowagain
 


Finding balance is one thing.
Nobody controls the 'dream state'.
That is in fact the core problem;
Trying to do that and inevitably failing;
That is the cause of burnout and dark night.


And when the separate self is snuffed (burnt) out that is Nirvana - end of problem.

Why avoid? And who could?
edit on 13-12-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 12:56 PM
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There is some corruption in the nirvana teachings. But yes pretty much true.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:01 PM
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There is no controller of the dream as you have stated (or have I misinterpreted?).
So there is just a dream happening and there is no one doing anything.
When this is realized the 'separate person' is snuffed out.

Can it be avoided?
edit on 13-12-2013 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:05 PM
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There is still compassion.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:09 PM
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Various people including me call that the hole in the human heart and it SEEMS to be a universal issue.

There are those who say; including me, that this is due to not knowing who you really are. This lack of knowing causes extreme neediness and confusion.

That is the basic premise.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:31 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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There is still compassion.

There is everything, including compassion.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:35 PM
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Yes but interestingly compassion itself is not dualistic or of the dream.

Actually that whole 'the dream' as taught in advaita buddhism and other systems is an error; but I understand why people use that flawed concept.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:38 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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...Various people including me call that the hole in the human heart and it SEEMS to be a universal issue.
...There are those who say; including me, that this is due to not knowing who you really are. This lack of knowing causes extreme neediness and confusion.
...That is the basic premise.

I do not contend with the notion of extreme neediness & confusion (possibly) deriving from "not knowing who you really are"..., and, in fact, I have dealt with this in an extended/extensive version of what I would have to count a "dark night of the soul".
On the other hand - while I have certainly recited the "hole in the heart" mantra/catechism for most of my life, I am simply questioning its virtue.
For me, the question is like the adage - "Until introduced to the concept & word for stuttering - there were no stutterers among Native Americans".
Would we (any of us) associate some feeling of discontent or neediness or confusion...etc...with "something's missing in the core of my being" - if we hadn't first been told so?
How could you or I know...unless no-one had told/instructed us...?
I don't think my question is answerable without taking some leap of... Well - you know.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:40 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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Yes but interestingly compassion itself is not dualistic or of the dream.

Actually that whole 'the dream' as taught in advaita buddhism and other systems is an error; but I understand why people use that flawed concept.


Seeing that all is arising unconditionally and seeing that there is no one in control of anything frees everything and everyone so compassion is.
It is all so sweet.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:46 PM
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All which exists is an ever changing dynamic process yes.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 01:49 PM
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Good one!

But that feeling of dissatisfaction gnaws away at most all people whether one attaches concepts to it or not.

Tag you are it.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:15 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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Good one!

But that feeling of dissatisfaction gnaws away at most all people whether one attaches concepts to it or not.

Tag you are it.


KPB do you feel dissatifaction gnawing at you?

Are you saying trying to control a dream (and then thinking you are "failing" to control your dream) is the cause of burnout of the spirit ?
You say it is burnout of the spirt - which I don't agree with, as what you said is clearly a "burnout" of the person.

This thought of "burnout" is not of the spirt.
It is of the person ( 'dis satifaction' of the mind).





posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:46 PM
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I feel little or no dissatisfaction about anything.

But that certainly didn't come to pass quickly.

I myself don't like to use the word spirit as it's vague and has too much cultural baggage.

Now where to separate 'mind' from 'spirit' is highly contentious.

I myself prefer to use concepts and practices which do not depend on nebulous and difficult or impossible to define terms.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:49 PM
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Why is 23 hounding me? I didn't do anything to it.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:51 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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I feel little or no dissatisfaction about anything.

But that certainly didn't come to pass quickly.

I myself don't like to use the word spirit as it's vague and has too much cultural baggage.

Now where to separate 'mind' from 'spirit' is highly contentious.

I myself prefer to use concepts and practices which do not depend on nebulous and difficult or impossible to define terms.

You use the word spiritual and there is more "baggage" there.
The person can burnout (experience dissatisfaction) but the spirit, or what is not incomplete, cannot.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:53 PM
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This is the second number bugging you!

Are you unconsciously attempting to channel a form of 'truth' that is comforting to you?



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:57 PM
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I believe I've stated that exact thing no less than 3 times on ats so far.

But people asked me to write about spiritual burnout so I have.

Sometimes I use people's imprecise terms to move a conversation along but nearly always clarify.

Also 'spirit' can be used in multiple contexts which have different meanings.



posted on Dec, 13 2013 @ 02:59 PM
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KellyPrettyBear
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This is the second number bugging you!


11 22 13 and 23 are all bugging me!


Are you unconsciously attempting to channel a form of 'truth' that is comforting to you?


That's entirely possible. But if its unconscious, how would I really know?



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