Avoiding Spiritual Burnout and Dark Night of the Soul

KellyPrettyBear
Your honesty is very refreshing and goes to show just how much potential you have to grow.

Thanks. My wife would say I'm excruciatingly honest. Maybe I am, I don't know. After all, the archetype of the trickster is active in my psyche. Yours too.

You are in fact very fortunate. I'd take you over 1000 self appointed geniuses.

Yeah, in some ways I am. In other ways not so much. But I guess it's that way for everyone.

Let me know if I can help.

You've already shown me I'm not alone and you have already given me tools to add to my toolbox. I thought I'd collected them all. Just goes to show that the universe can provide. Other than that, just try to stay healthy enough to stay at ATS.

Next time you have a lucid dream swing by for tea and hookah. >.<

reply to post by BlueMule


The hardest part of the mystics path is not other people and entities. It's learning to accept yourself and love yourself as your neighbor unconditionally.

Once you learn how to do that everything else takes care of itself.

The world teaches us that we are not worthy; that we are not worth loving; that we have been abandoned. But this is not true.

The 'bluemule' pattern is inscribed into eternity.

Without your current pattern eternity and infinity could not even exist; everything would be incomplete and would fall apart.

You are loved.

Kelly,

Really it is quite amusing how you like to categorize things as dualistic. In fact, isn't compassion only gained from having suffered? So, if you take on all the suffering of the universe wouldn't that do away with it? Then were would we poor souls be who need to learn compassion?

I believe it is fairly dangerous to denounce the idea of evil and good for that opens to door for all sorts of monsters to carry out their goals which many would say are laudable. Some would love to get rid of all but one race and by doing so we would end racism. In a hundred thousand years when we have the perfect society, no one will know of the billions made to suffer and were slaughtered so that this perfect world could be realized.

It's a very Machiavellian way of thinking.

I know we won't agree, but it is interesting to hear your truisms despite our differences.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


Hi.

Helpful and unhelpful to the general welfare makes sense to say.
'good' and 'evil' are corrupted terms from failed systems of the
past, although they are still in common usage.

Compassion has nothing whatsoever in this or any other universe
to do with duality.

Really the discussion regarding mondadic and dualistic systems
is a fascinating one and well worth having. I think I'll post about
that sometime.

But you are obviously coming from a drasticaly different perspective
which does not lend itself to a fruitful conversation within the context
of this particular post.

But no need to be unpleasant; lets agree to disagree and wish each
other and wish each other the very best. As I've stated previously,
I'm not interested in further pursuing this conversation with you at
time.

Here's wishing you a very nice weekend.

KPB

reply to post by BlueMule


Very good then.

I'm also happy to say, that your 'proddings' have demonstrated to me
that perhaps I could get off my ass and document a few things. I may
not need to write anyting down, and I don't care to preserve anything
of myself or my life for posterity, but there is so much suffering that
is so needless. If anyone could get me to jaunt, it would be you..

I'm also venturing into new territory for me.. that is supposed to be
'forbiden' and I find that exhilerating. Dont' ask at this time please.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
You are loved.

Love is all there is.
No you and no me - just the loving awareness in which all arises unconditionally.

BlueMule
Just goes to show that the universe can provide.

KellyPrettyBear
Spirituality is such a strange duck, because as most everyone will
admit, humans come into the world with a 'hole in their heart' and
most humans either 'drink the cool aide' of some faith or system
hook line and sinker, in an attempt to fill this hole (but that
won't work), or they do just the opposite --- search here, search
there --- search everywhere! Until they burn themselves out,
tired themselves out and break themselves. Well I did the latter
to some degree.. but in my case I 'found' what I wasn't looking
for, and I became healed.

It is only when the 'me' breaks that spirit (nothingness) will be revealed.
But who would want to step into the void???

reply to post by Itisnowagain


Have you ever read Jed McKenna? Amazon Page

Now he's flat out wrong about a number of things, but he's
also a bit of a genius. I'd say his first book should be
mandatory reading for anyone who wants to be free.
His second book isn't bad, and his third and following
books are IMHO trashy. I know people who base their
entire lives on his teachings; these are the people I've
mentioned who 'radiate the void' and who unfortunately
are so 'voidy' that they are nearly useless for anyone
or anything, again IMHO.

I rather diverge from a lot of folks, especially advaitists
or those who follow various new age oneness gurus.

I understand the merits of the 'everything is one
approach' as everything is indeed one.

I also understand some of the merits (they are fewer)
of the dualistic approach; but you can get yourself
into a bad place even faster with dualism.

Truly both of these approaches are invalid.

The whole shebang and Jed McKenna too need
an overhaul from my perspective.

KPB

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

Have you ever read Jed McKenna? Amazon Page

No I never read anything by him.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


That's a lovely video. For a new age guru she didn't
say anything which isn't true.

I'm curious if she has other material that fills
in the other pieces, or if she's another mushroom
head.

KellyPrettyBear
I know people who base their
entire lives on his teachings; these are the people I've
mentioned who 'radiate the void' and who unfortunately
are so 'voidy' that they are nearly useless for anyone
or anything, again IMHO.

Do you expect something?

Do you see yourself as 'useful'?

Are you a spiritual advisor?

reply to post by Itisnowagain


He calls BS on the entire new age movement, spirituality,
religion, etc. But his method is very violent and people
often commit suicide if they take him too seriously.

Rather than melting into love, he would have people
use extreme discrimination and to assassinate the
limited self.

I don't recommend his method, but for someone who
is immune to melting into love, and gives themselves
no other option, his material can help one to become
free.

It's a very good read for a cerebral person.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


I have no fixed form.

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

That's a lovely video. For a new age guru she didn't
say anything which isn't true.

I wonder what 'gurus' you have been listening to - I have asked before - twice in fact.

I only post speakers who point directly to what is actually happening.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


I've never read or listened to anyone who was even
close to not being a disinfo agent.

KellyPrettyBear
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

I've never read or listened to anyone who was even
close to not being a disinfo agent.

This might sound closer to what is.

KellyPrettyBear
I'm curious if she has other material that fills
in the other pieces, or if she's another mushroom
head.

You judge her as a 'mushroom head'?
How many pieces are there in one?

There is plenty of Lisas talks on youtube.

reply to post by Itisnowagain


We have brains for a reason; their whole purpose
is not to just generate a false self to trap us into
suffering.

It's been obvious to me for a while that you and
I will have to agree to disagree.

I really want to thank you for that video though..
as Lisa herself said:

"the bird may act agitated and dance around
the cage"

This is true.

The bird is VERY AGITATED and is tearing at
the cage until it's beak falls off.

Now is this acceptable? Of course it is. I
wouldn't deny this experience to the One
if I could and I can't.

It's perfectly acceptable. Nothing happens,
nothing exists that is not acceptable to
the One.

There is nobody to save and nothing
to do.

But.

That is also a trap. That is not the entire
'not story'.

And it's at this juncture that we won't
agree necessarily.

It's my inclination to open the cage.

KPB

reply to post by KellyPrettyBear


Right on bro. I'll ask about it some other time... perhaps when you least expect it :p