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Darth_Prime
reply to post by macman
Until people learn tolerance there are many that need such protection.
What if stores started saying we wont sell to you if you have Guns? or if you are Religious? or by your Race, or gender. would you want your kids to get discriminated because of some reason?
you would rather divide the people than show that we need at the least acceptance and tolerance?
Willtell
www.huffingtonpost.com...
DENVER (AP) — A Colorado judge says a baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex ceremony must serve gay couples despite his religious beliefs. Friday's order from administrative law judge Robert N. Spencer says Masterpiece Cakeshop in suburban Denver will face fines if it continues to turn away gay couples who want to buy cakes for their wedding celebrations. An attorney for Masterpiece Cakeshop did not immediately return a call seeking comment. Shop owner Jack Phillips had argued that making cakes for gay wedding ceremonies violates his Christian beliefs. The American Civil Liberties Union filed a complaint against Phillips with the Colorado Civil Rights Commission last year on behalf of Charlie Craig and David Mullins. The couple was married in Massachusetts and wanted a wedding cake to celebrate in Colorado.
Is this a good idea? is this a good decision?
I believe in equal rights but also what about the right of the religious believer who is averse to transgender rights through their perceived religious obligations.
In this case the simple act of creating a wedding cake with figures of two men rather than a man and a woman on the cake prevents a bakery owner from making the cake due to his perceived religious duties.
Would forcing the baker to go against his perceived religious obligation be the government intervening in private citizens religious rights?
Or should the government, in the case a judge, exercise its judicial power and legally force this man to oblige the gay couple?
Obviously the judge has the right to do this but the question is should that power be curtailed by legislation?
Allowing religious beliefs to discriminate
What if a black Muslim doesn’t want to hire or do something for white people?
Or a Klansmen or Christian Identity (who are racist Christians) doesn’t want to serve minorities should their religious beliefs be tolerated?
The point is where do we draw the line in respecting religious beliefs versus the rights of individuals
It may be a question for Solomonic wisdom that I am sure is prevalent here at ATS
edit on 7-12-2013 by Willtell because: added content
macman
We are created equal in the eyes of Govt.
There is no law stating that I personally must treat you as an equal.
dronedodger
I spoke to the owners daughter a week ago. She said her father isn't baking any wedding for now. They're appealing the judgment.
If A&E can refuse to do business with Phil Robertson, then why can't bakers and photographers have the same allowance?
I'm not sure how to embed articles but there are two articles I hope to add soon. I support the owner of this shop in his decision not to partake in supporting a celebration of this kind of union. People should have the say in where to shop, and who to support and not support via their money.
dronedodger
reply to post by kaylaluv
Marriage, the celebration of two becoming as one seems to be the issue for him, the owner, not all sin and sinners.
kaylaluv
dronedodger
reply to post by kaylaluv
Marriage, the celebration of two becoming as one seems to be the issue for him, the owner, not all sin and sinners.
That sounds an awful lot like discrimination to me. Marriage is okay if it is between adulterers or swingers, or physical abusers, but not between two gay people who really love each other?
dronedodger
She said her father isn't baking any wedding for now.
They're appealing the judgment.
People should have the say in where to shop, and who to support and not support via their money.
dronedodger
The daughter also said her father doesn't bake or decorate any thing celebrating Halloween.
dronedodger
reply to post by kaylaluv
The L.A. Times editors voiced their opinion on this but I cant seem to add the article. Its from December 12, 2013. They favor the discretion of bakers and photographers. This coming from the 6th most gay-friendly city in America. Imo, most people prefer choice and common sense over ideology of sexual orientation and force.
Adding edit:
The daughter also said her father doesn't bake or decorate any thing celebrating Halloween.
Hes protecting his actions, not forbidding others from doing what they chose.edit on 22Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:36:46 -0600201312America/Chicago222013228America/Chicago by dronedodger because: (no reason given)
Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by dronedodger
dronedodger
The daughter also said her father doesn't bake or decorate any thing celebrating Halloween.
See, that's fine. If he baked Halloween cakes for white people, but refused to bake Halloween cakes for black people and Latinos, then we'd see the discrimination clearly. But because the claimants are gay, people seem to lose their common sense.
kaylaluv
dronedodger
reply to post by kaylaluv
The L.A. Times editors voiced their opinion on this but I cant seem to add the article. Its from December 12, 2013. They favor the discretion of bakers and photographers. This coming from the 6th most gay-friendly city in America. Imo, most people prefer choice and common sense over ideology of sexual orientation and force.
Adding edit:
The daughter also said her father doesn't bake or decorate any thing celebrating Halloween.
Hes protecting his actions, not forbidding others from doing what they chose.edit on 22Sun, 22 Dec 2013 08:36:46 -0600201312America/Chicago222013228America/Chicago by dronedodger because: (no reason given)
Not baking anything for Halloween is not discriminatory, as he doesn't bake those things for ANYBODY. In order to not be discriminatory, he shouldn't bake wedding cakes for ANYBODY either (which sounds like that's what he had decided to do for now). Maybe he should just stick to generic cakes, cupcakes and cookies, good for everyone and anyone.
dronedodger
He can not in good conscience contribute to the celebration. I read that when he makes wedding cakes, for him, he's also participanting in the celebration.