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FlyersFan
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
I'd just be afraid to eat anything from them. If they disagree with you in some way ... ya' know?
I'd wonder what they'd do to the food. It happens in restaurants.
dragonridr
As far as the rights of the couple they were not violated no one stopped them and they have recognition under the law. So legally their rights were upheld
the bakers on the other hand his right was violated because from now on he must lie or risk legal action for his convictions.
Darth_Prime
Yes, if a Gay owner denied services to a straight person i would have just as many issue, i believe in Equality, we are all human.
Darth_Prime
how do we not know this owner took the opportunity to claim his dislike of same sex marriages? how do we know it wasn't the perfect opportunity for him to take his "Stand" against this "Sin"? how do we not know he knew this may get media attention?
Darth_Prime
likewise how do we know the couple didn't target the store knowing they would get denied and thus create media attention? we don't, and i wont argue that point, the only point i am trying to make is discrimination is wrong, and protected under the laws which they opened their business, if they want to disregard the laws than they pay the consequence
macman
Discrimination is morally wrong, but everyone as the right to do so. There is nothing in the founding documents stating it is unlawful, therefore it isn't.
FlyersFan
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
I'd just be afraid to eat anything from them. If they disagree with you in some way ... ya' know?
I'd wonder what they'd do to the food. It happens in restaurants.
dragonridr
reply to post by Darth_Prime
My view is simple people can believe whatever they want and have the right to do so.In this situation ill say the Baker was an idiot but he has the right to be. Ill say his actions are consistent with his beliefs and i hope one day people realize just how counter productive religion is in a free society. But its not our place to decide nor should it be. As far as the rights of the couple they were not violated no one stopped them and they have recognition under the law. So legally their rights were upheld the bakers on the other hand his right was violated because from now on he must lie or risk legal action for his convictions. I dont think we should be putting people in this situation.Because we all know this Baker isnt going to be baking cakes for same sex mariages all they did was teach him to be smarter next time.
Benevolent Heretic
dragonridr
As far as the rights of the couple they were not violated no one stopped them and they have recognition under the law. So legally their rights were upheld
According to Colorado law, the gay couple has the RIGHT to be served in any place of business. Their rights were violated.
the bakers on the other hand his right was violated because from now on he must lie or risk legal action for his convictions.
What rights of the bakers were violated?
He still has the right to believe what he wants. He has the right to his religion. He NEVER had the right to discriminate.
Darth_Prime
reply to post by dragonridr
Yes, i believe it was to bring media attention to the fact that discrimination continues even though it is protected under law
but if i remember the story correctly they had posted it on Facebook saying not to go to that baker, and people told them to file a lawsuit, or something of that nature. i don't believe they targeted that store just to bring attention to themselves
Darth_Prime
reply to post by macman
The business owner does not have the right to refuse service based on sexuality, race, gender, religion. that is protected under law.
i agree everyone has the "right" to discriminate, though i can't imagine why someone would want to be that way, but as a business under law you are not allowed to discriminate and he did
macman
reply to post by TheRegal
Oh okay then.
Where does it show, following the correct procedure, that the law is indeed lawful.
There is no facepalm big enough to retort with, to your response.
Thought the same thing myself. Though, it doesn't seems like such a thing has happened yet. The media tends to be all over anti-gay stuff, and if something this had happened, it would've been a top story.
FlyersFan
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
I'd just be afraid to eat anything from them. If they disagree with you in some way ... ya' know?
I'd wonder what they'd do to the food. It happens in restaurants.
tsingtao
he has the right to refuse service to anyone.
macman
Life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.