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So again, the rights of the Gay couple trump the rights of a business owner.
He is forced to service someone he doesn't agree with.
Sounds very.......1940s European'ish.
I didn't say he was pushing his beliefs onto someone else. I said he is imposing them on others. Look up "impose".
No, he can believe what he wants to believe, regardless what ANYONE thinks. Belief and action are two different things. You can believe that black people shouldn't be allowed in restaurants, but if you take action on that, you are breaking the law, just as this baker did.
That's freedom of religion. It doesn't extend beyond that.
Wrong. The gay couple DO HAVE THE RIGHT to be serviced at this business.
The owner DOES NOT HAVE THE RIGHT to discriminate. It's easy to understand. I'm not sure why you're not getting it...
He willingly AGREED to service people he doesn't agree with when he got his business license. He is not being forced, he agreed to it.
You're just twisting it to fit all the time.
It's very simple.
He runs a business
By law he cannot discriminate, at least not openly
Gay rights aren't trumping religious rights, Equality is being ensured, that is all.
He doesn't have to socialise with them, or watch them in the act or even be around their "gayness"
He just has to provide the service that he provides everyone else.
If he decided to not serve a black or interracial couple, would that be OK by you too?
So, he was 'imposing' what again on the gay couple??
His belief is that Gay Marriage is wrong.
He did not want to be involved with it.
He is forced to provide services to someone he disagrees with.
No, no they don't.
I have the right to not allow certain people in my home.
If I own a business, I am afforded the same right.
So, let me get this straight.
Just because you want to do business in CO, you have to agree to serve any and all, regardless?
I would not be doing business in CO. Signing away rights is wrong.
If I went to a business that wouldn't serve Veterans, or white guys, I would find somewhere else to give my money to.
His religious beliefs. He was enforcing his religious beliefs using the couple.
And he probably still holds that belief. His belief is intact. You can't logically argue that he can't believe as he does. He still believes that way. If he was not permitted to believe that way, he wouldn't. The law cannot tell ANYONE what to believe. Do you know the difference between belief and action?
The only thing he was involved with is making a wedding cake, which he does all the time.
He AGREED to provide services to those with whom he disagrees. He freely agreed to. That's not force.
The gay couple DO HAVE THE RIGHT to be serviced at this business. Have you read the law? Just because you THINK it should be different, doesn't mean it's the way you think it should be.
Irrelevant. A business and a home are two different things.
No, you are not. Not legally. You're misinformed.
Not exactly, but you DO agree not to discriminate based on race, color, creed, national origin, ancestry, religion, sex, persons with a physical or mental disability, marital status or sexual orientation. The baker admittedly discriminated based on sexual orientation. In Colorado, that's the same as refusing to serve someone because they're black or Christian. Read and inform yourself:
He CAN refuse to service someone who doesn't have shoes or a shirt on, for example.
You're entitled to your opinion, but the folks of Colorado feel differently. It's a state right. Don't you support those? Or is it only when you agree with the law that states rights is a good thing?
Yes, yes I would. And in reverse as well.
If a business run, say by a black guy, doesn't want to provide service to white people, good for him. I have no problem with that.
It is bullcrap to think people should be forced to do something against their will or beliefs.
If I went to a business that wouldn't serve Veterans, or white guys, I would find somewhere else to give my money to. I wouldn't complain about it, and then sue them. I will leave that up to Progressives and the whining groups.
because you are saying it's okay to discriminate because we are gay and if a business owner is told by his religious faith not to "believe" in us it is okay to discriminate based on that
why would anyone defend discrimination?
if you don't believe in a person based on their Sexuality,Race,Gender, Religion Etc what does that have to do with a business transaction?
just like the supposed separation between Church and State
Thought so, that's all I needed to know.
Had a few with your mentality on the other thread.
You wont get your way... Equality is here to stay.