A proposal, on how to get Marijuana legalized.

I just responded to the thread, on legalizing Marijuana. So I decided to post my thoughts, on how to actually get this done. I've been thinking about how to do this, for a while now. I consider myself a peaceful rebel. I'm not a fan of violence, surprised?! So I wanted to figure out a way, to do this peacefully.

Feel free to add to this, or ammend it any way you desire. This is just to start the flow of information, to take some action. In hopes to finally get this done, once and for all. My initial thought on all of this. Is that any time the powers that be, want to get something done. They tend to try and out spend the opposition to their agenda. So it usually ends up. That whoever has the loudest voice, wins. In this instance money=voice, or better stated propaganda.

So what if we turned the tables on them? What if we made them spend needlessly. What if we made it to where, it wasn't cost effective to enforce the law? So that they actually wanted them changed. So how could we do that? What if we had everyone that wants it legalized. Start smoking "joints" everywhere it is legal to smoke. The exception would be, it wouldn't be Marijuana in the joints. For those that don't want to risk prosecution. Smoke pseudo Marijuana. A few brave soles, would probably go ahead and smoke pot. Especially with the extra "cover". But you would have to be willing to be arrested, reguardless. Otherwise it wouldn't be as effective.

What if this Spring, when it gets warm again. Every weekend in cities accross the US etc.. We held Great American, Canadian, etc. Smoke Outs. Have everyone that supports the legalization, meet at a city park. Pull out their "joints", and smoke right out in the open. You could have a concert/movies to entertain the people etc.. It would just be a way. To have a get together, for like minded poeple. If we did it often enough, and enough people showed up on a regular basis. Wouldn't the powers that be, get complacent about trying to arrest everyone? What if people that weren't smoking Marijuana, that were arrested. Started to file law suits against the cities for false arrests? If this happened often enough. Wouldn't there be a public outcry of ENOUGH?! Quit waisting our tax dollars on this!! Wouldn't they also have to spend money on lab tests. To prove that it was in fact marijuana?

If you could get enough people thinking this way. There would be people doing this everywhere. Not just at the get togethers. The point is. Everyone buy their favorite pseudo herb. Preferably the good ones, that actually smell like Marijuana when smoked. Then smoke these joints out in the open everywhere, as often as possible. We would then force the powers that be over time. To abandon this policy, of it being illegal. We could make them, spend themselves into the ground. Just as they spend the opposition to their agendas, into the ground. In my mind, it would be a perfect irony. To use their own weapon, against them.

What are your thoughts?
Tom Sawyer

Florida has some referandum that if you get enough signitures(something like 100,000 registered voters) on a citizen drafted proposal then the next election it will be voted on.

I want to make a bill that would legalize hemp farming in Florida. It could be called some catchy farm aid name and I would word it so the common idiot would realize how much local farmers could profit on harvesting hemp. I belive that it is legal to grow hemp as the law stands but the gov't has some difficult boundries for it, if the bill were passed then hemp would hopefully become one of the big crops grown here. If a bill was proposed like I mention above with all the facts laid out I know it would be a big step in the direction to get marijuana where it should be.

To everyone who thinks the United States is screwed-up now, wait until you get a bunch of dopers walking the streets in a zombie-like state, trying to function normally.

It can't happen! Not in a million years, so people ought to stop this crap about legalizing a "motivation-destroying" substance!

What's wrong with people!



[edit on 18/11/04 by Intelearthling]

You've never smoked marijuana have you?

I find when I don't feel like doing something...cleaning or walking hte dog. smoking a joint actually motivates me to do these things. Put on some music...smoke a joint...clean the house.

"dopers" LOL. I'm sorry but

I have to agree that it makes people not so motiviated but I will just say that I personally don't smoke pot but tried it when I was 16 and it was laced in mescaline or something. I halllucinated all night long and wanted my mother to take me to the hospital, which she didn't do.

So when I married, my husband smoked it and it freaked me out to be around it but after a couple of years of watching what happened when he smoked pot to relax after work as compared to what he did when he drank and the way his temperament changed, I slowly decided I much prefered pot to alcohol. It's true that when he smoked he didn't want to do anything but grin and eat but when he drank he became abusive.

I think that pot also doesn't change the way drivers drive in the same way that alcohol does.. I know when I used to drink, I thought I was bullet-proof and drove like a race car driver. The times I've been around pot smokers, they don't drive fast or feel aggressive behind the wheel.

[edit on 18-11-2004 by xenophile]

[edit on 18-11-2004 by xenophile]

I don't think it's a good idea.

While most demonstrations put you at small risk of arrest (as you propose this one would), most demonstrations do NOT put you at risk of losing your job. Anyone with a security clearance or any sort of public sector job with any visibility would be out of the door so fast it'd make their heads spin.

Do you think it could be possible? Right now the simple word "smoking" has been banned from the vocabulary of society. It doesn't matter if it's pot or tobacco, or even opium: smoking is seen as despicable as human sacrifice! Moreover, those involved in this manifestation of yours will face heavier charges for smoking in public (let alone if there are babies around) than for drug possession. I am a staunch supporter of marijuana legalization, but I see it increasingly harder to "legalize it". The only country worldwide which moved in this direction is Switzerland (albeit very slowly), Netherlands, once the "Coffee shop" paradise, is increasingly moving toward a much stricter attitude (thanks a lot, EU!), which will eventually lead to a total ban. If you want to smoke freely in public, I suggest you move to the Indian state of Bihar: there marijuana and hashish use is allowed by local laws under "almost any circustances".

Hi all, i am new to this site. i have been reading on here for about a week now, and let me tell you i have never read so much in my life. this site really makes you open up your mind and think about things, weather the things on this site are true or not. but anyway....

This is my thought on the whole marijauna legalization issue, honestly what is the big deal with legalizing marijauna, i know it is a drug, but alot of americans take prescription drugs everday that are alot more addicting and harmful than marijauna. marijauna is natural. it is not manmade like alot of the prescription drugs are if not all of them, im not sure about prescription drugs, well i guess they are all man made. but think about this. what if the gov. stopped spending billions and billions of our tax dollars to stop the importing of illegal marijauna into the united states and all of these rediculous court dates for the average joe who was caught with a nickel bag no longer exsisted. what if they started selling it to the public instead of trying to take it away. they would make a hell of alot more money on selling it than they would with the petty 100 dollar fines they hand out in the courts. im telling you now guys, if and when marijauna becomes legal. the gov. will be the ones regulating it, just like the oil. except the taxes on marijauna will me much, much higher than that of alchohol and cigerettes, im talking like a 40%tax on marijauna, so you will be able to walk in your local quick trip and ask the cashier for a pack of mary jane 100s, lol, at 39.95 a pack, lmao, tell me that wouldnt be great.

and something else to think about, like i said before, marijauna is natural, it is a natural pain killer, tell me how it could be any worse than a man made painkiller, you want to know why, anyone can grow marijauna in their backyard, but you can grow vicadins now can you, so im sure that is another big isssue about the legalization of marijauna. think about this, what if it was legal to use marijauna. it still would be illegal to grow it or sell it. you would have to buy it fromt he gov. that simple. the gov. is going to get their cut, so they would still get quit a bit of money from the numbnuts that would still want to grow his own. lol, but if they legalized it, the pharmecutical companies would lose alot of the business. because how many people do you know that have prescription pain pills. i can name five right now off the top of my head. that is a hell of alot of money that these big pharmacutical companies would lose out on. unless they could get into a war on creating and growing the best marijauna ever known. now wouldnt that be great. some real 2-hit chit at the gas station.

If we could prove to the US govt every joint smoked killed an Iraqi it would be legal tomorrow!

I would much rather have a bunch of hungry, calm, "zombies"(your words) walking around, than a bunch of drunks (no offense to you drunk) walking around who have the propensity to become aggressive at the drop of a hat not to mention the accidents that occur.....

_BLiND_ you are correct...depending on the state of mind you CAN motivate yourself to do a lot of stuff that is "boring" after smoking a joint...

Oh come on, thats not really a fair comment is it? Lets apply the same logic to alcohol, a drug whose effects we are all familiar with. It is of course legal, so does that mean your streets are full of wife beating, abuse shouting alcoholics, throwing up in the gutter?

Originally posted by Intelearthling

To everyone who thinks the United States is screwed-up now, wait until you get a bunch of dopers walking the streets in a zombie-like state, trying to function normally.

It can't happen! Not in a million years, so people ought to stop this crap about legalizing a "motivation-destroying" substance!

What's wrong with people!

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What’s wrong with you dude?

So I suppose you would rather live in a United States where it is perfectly legal to get boozed out of your mind. Lose control of yourself go out rape or beat someone (who could happen to be your son or daughter) and not remember what happened the next day.

I’m sorry but I’ll stick to smoking a joint and munching down on some Doritos.

What’s wrong with people is an understatement don’t you think?

It’s pretty hypocritical that we can have Congressman and Senators enact tough marijuana laws while returning from a liquid lunch. Isn’t it?

MAN MADE BOOZE
GOD MADE GRASS
WHO DO YOU TRUST?




[edit on 19-11-2004 by mdefab01]

As far as I know the Netherlands are the only country where it is legalised,

Btw where you stoned when you wrote that?

My advice would be to those who want to smoke hemp. First stop being a taxes payer. Why should you support a country that wants to put you in jail over a stinky green plant? Second find yourself a country that will let you smoke hemp, and move there. Let them have your hard earned tax dollars. Mark my words if every hemp smoking american stoped paying taxes and moved away the IRS would noticed. Then maybe the would realize that people who smoke hemp are people too and not some drugged out zombie. Then maybe America will stop this racism.

My grandmother had a saying " If your not like and treated bad by the people around you it's time to move on."

It's time for the outlaw nation to move on. Stop giving money to those who would gladly have you jailed. Stop living with this racism.

You have never smoked marijuana, have you??? Im 21 and have smoked marijuana since I was 19. Motivation-Destroyer??? I think not!!! before I started smoking i didnt have a job cause my parent would much rather me go to school than work, so i was broke and needed money for pot. So i took some classes on real estate and got certified as a Loan Officer. Now i make $10K+ a month from that. I have my own 4BR 3.5 Bath home and a 2003 Lexus IS300. All because I wanted to do something for a few extra dollars for pot. Now let me task you this, do you really think pot is a Motivation destroyer???

And sorry if it sounds like im bragging but, I hate to listen to people dog on things they have never experienced. how does everybody else feel about it??

Byrd,
Maybe we have a misunderstanding here? My proposal is that no one at these events, actually be smoking marijuana. It would be psuedo marijuana. Made to look like a joint, and smell like a joint etc.. But it would not actually be marijuana, that they are smoking. I did say, that a few brave souls, would probably smoke marijuana, because of the "cover" an event like that would provide.

So if you are not actually smoking marijuana. Why would you have to worry about your security clearance, or your employer etc.. You wouldn't be braking any laws at all. If you allowed yourself to be arrested, then you have a case for false arrest. If your employer fired you for being arrested, but you didn't break any laws. You would then have a csae against your employer, for discrimination. Because you didn't break any laws etc.. So I'm not sure where you are coming from on this. Can you explain further please? I realize that there are going to be people that wouldn't be even willing to take the risk, in the situation I described. But there are plenty of people, that don't have to worry about these type of issues, that would be willing to carry the torch, so to speak. It doesn't require 100% participation, of every pot smoker to be effective.

Kakugo,
As I said in the post. I am proposing smoking where you can, without breaking the law. Yes the laws are getting stricter, as to where that can be done. But where I live, it would still be possible in a city park etc.. I'm not saying to go into a bar, where smoking is banned period, and light it up there. The point would be to appear to be breaking the law. When in fact you would be breaking none. Maybe the laws are different, where you live? Are you not allowed to smoke outside period? Because where I am at, that isn't the case, yet.

DJFiyaaBl8,
Sorry to say, if your question was dirrected towards me. That I was not stoned when I wrote that. I haven't smoked in over a week now. Not because I don't want to either. I have an 11% back disability, from being too motivated! Not to mention, suspected PTSD from my military service etc.. . So I have every "excuse" in the world to be smoking right now. Unfortunately, I need to find a job soon. So I'm cleaning out my system, to pass the drug tests that I know will follow.

Thank you for all of your responses,
Tom Sawyer



[edit on 19-11-2004 by TomSawyer]

allow an old man to weigh in here

to legalize marijuana would likely result in two significant, unforseen, and most likely unwelcome, results

1. the U.S. government would likely wish to control the production, manufacture, sale, and taxation of marijuana, just like alcolhol is now.

2. the current system of distribution, through the intricate network of dealers and suppliers, would be obsolete, which, ain't gonna make some drug lords happy.

so, in my estimation, the legalization of weed is unlikely.

i think the weed smokers envision this utopia where they can grow, and smoke, buy and sell, weed anytime, anywhere.

do you really think the government would allow such without getting their hands on some, or all, of that money?

give me a break!

Of course they would. I don't have that much problem with it. People are still allowed to brew their own beer and make their own wine. It's when you go to sell it to others that there rises an issue just like with any consumable substance.



Hmmmm. I'm not sure how this second result would be a bad thing. Maybe it would be a bad thing for the drug lords and the politicians they bribe, but not for anyone else.



Agreed, as much as I hate the thought of continuing to have to treat and think of police as the enemy, and hide such a non-harmful aspect of my existance.