Sick People and the Innocent Insurance Companies they Defraud

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posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 09:55 AM
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Here we go, Georgia's State appointed Insurance Commissioner is comparing insuring those with pre-existing medical conditions as the same as insuring a car after an accident. With this mindset it is no wonder why the US has a long way to go before her citizens can benefit from first world health care.



Being here in Georgia for a while has made me more acutely aware than before of the particularly exotic and uninhibited brand of Republican officeholders this state now breeds. Sure, it’s hard to miss the antics of a Paul Broun, Jr., even out there in California. But today we learn that longtime pol Ralph Hudgens, who is currently serving as State Insurance Commissioner, is capable of a howler himself, as reflected by this speech to a Republican women’s group last month. The robust laughs of Hudgen’s audience when he compared pre-existing condition coverage to an ex post facto request for auto insurance collision coverage after a motorist causes a wreck is about as disgusting as the stupid analogy itself. (h/t Jim Galloway and Daniel Malloy of the Atlanta Journal-Constitution).




People like this make my blood boil. What amazes me is this guy and those laughing with him probably all attend Christian church services every Sunday.

www.washingtonmonthly.com...




posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:01 AM
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Of course,
Another thread about anything mildly relevant, set up to look like an interesting topic.

But it's just another set up for a jab at Christians.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:04 AM
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maybe this insurance commissioner has a "wrecking yard" for people that have a pre-existing condition....sort of a place to go and die, or be recycled for body parts.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:06 AM
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I don't see anything wrong with the analogy.

Healthcare is a service. You pay for that service. Insurance is a hedge against that payment.

People now expect healthcare for free.

And for those that see healthcare as a right, wouldn't food also be considered a "right"?

I can't go to a restaurant for free simply because I am hungry.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:11 AM
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Well here in the UK we have the NHS and everyone gets free healthcare. It may not be up to a good standard but if you want better healthcare you have the CHOICE to go private, even then it is not done on insurance, you pay for it.

Do you take out food insurance? No because it would be too much for people who are starving! Insurance for literal NEEDS like food, water and healthcare are ridiculous and this is a prime example of where it fails, when the people who need it the most are rejected.

EDIT: I actually agree that what he said was correct, it is laughable to give someone with loads of health issues health insurance, that's business. However it shows that the system in place for american healthcare is extremely unforgiving and ruthless... which is not a good set up for healthcare
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posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:17 AM
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The problem is that no-one has addressed the high costs of healthcare.

Everyone looks to ways to pay for the high costs, but no-one looks to ways to lower the initial costs.

We keep adding law after law after law to supplement the high cost infrastructure, and never look at what is driving those costs.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:21 AM
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We've had free health care since 1948, we're still going, it's hitting a few bumps lately but only because the Torries want to pawn it off for private healthcare so we need insurance as well. The government keep saying it's failing when they forget that we know they are the one's who finance it! Fools! Stop expensive wars and put the money back into the NHS!

All I'm saying is medical insurance is not the only way to go, in fact I would say it's the worst way to go of all possibilities. See exhibit A (OP)
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posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:30 AM
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National healthcare won't ever work in America. Not until the Constitution and Bill of Rights are trashed.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:34 AM
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badgerprints
Of course,
Another thread about anything mildly relevant, set up to look like an interesting topic.

But it's just another set up for a jab at Christians.


I support the teachings of Jesus Christ. This is not a stab at Christianity. It is a stab at the hypocrisy of people who are willing to let others die because they belong to a lower social-economic class.

Please do not try to sabotage my thread with your minimal post that adds nothing of intellectual substance.

This is an interesting topic, given the Georgia's State Insurance Commissioner is using the car wreck analogy to influence lesser minds that providing health insurance/care to those with pre-existing is a bad thing.

I do not like ObamaCare, but the one positive aspect of it is now insurance companies can not deny someone with a pre-existing condition and people like Ralph Hudgens are trying to put an end to this change.
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posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:38 AM
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iRoyalty
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Well here in the UK we have the NHS and everyone gets free healthcare.


Wow, that massively high taxes the productive pay, in the UK are a special kind of "Free" eh?

Oh, and the fast track to termination for "useless eaters" who are too big a burden on the state is just a nice bonus of leftist Utopia, isn't it?


NHS doctors are prematurely ending the lives of thousands of elderly hospital patients because they are difficult to manage or to free up beds, a senior consultant claimed

Socialized Medicine Euthanizes 130,000 Old People per Year in UK


And nothing responds quicker and springs into action faster than bloated government bureaucracies, right?


Up to 10,000 people die needlessly of cancer every year because their condition is diagnosed too late, according to research by the government's director of cancer services.

Late cancer diagnosis kills 10,000 a year according to government tsar

Tell us more about how swell the leftist socialist utopia is, won't you?



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:42 AM
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jrod
I'm support the teachings of Jesus Christ. This is not a stab at Christianity.


Perhaps you can reveal the instances where the Christ insisted that people have the right to other peoples resources (time, property) by force and penalty of law?

I must have missed that bit. Feel free to enlighten us plebes.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:47 AM
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Really?

I'm not going to put up bible quotes. Read about Jesus's Golden Rule.

It is not Christian to let others suffer and die because the can not afford healthcare and deny health care because they are already sick.
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posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:48 AM
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Oh yeah, everybody gets sick on because they're negligent with their health.
Must have forgotten to tell those mean old cancer cells to go away.
Georgian Republican? Of course he goes to church, it means that many more votes.
It's pretty easy to tell compassion isn't his strong suit.
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posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:52 AM
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wow wright alest you know your a plebe .
This thread is not about religion.
as for the way America sees people who are Sick homeless poor the goverment uses these people to aim peoples anger at so people are no longer looking at them .



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:53 AM
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jrod
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Really?

I'm not going to put bible quotes. Read about Jesus's Golden Rule.


Because he never said anything that would support your comical assertion, an expected feature of anything leftists claim about their 'reverence' for Christ that drives their goal of enslaving individuals to the collective.

Do unto others, by force and penalty of law?

I don't recall that version, maybe you can direct us to it?



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:57 AM
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beezzer
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National healthcare won't ever work in America. Not until the Constitution and Bill of Rights are trashed.


How so? Where does it say in the constitution that Americans can't receive free health care?



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 10:57 AM
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It would have been far cheaper less intrusive to subsidize pre-existing condition policy rates down to a market cost rather than what's been done.

The healthy or better said the innocent have been severely impacted in rates, deductibles and more importantly privacy to benefit a minority.

The auto analogy is good as there is a risk pool for those with bad driving records as the state does not want uninsured drivers on the road.

The state did not find it necessary to take utter control to do that as they have done with ACA



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 11:01 AM
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I'm just going to ignore your posts. I feel you are just grasping at reasons to demonize health care reform in the US.

Jesus or any true Christian would not let a fellow person suffer and die because of their financial status or health status. This is not a thread about Christianity or religion.

Health care reform does not cost too much money to make it happen. Ultimately the biggest problem the US faces is the for profit health care system, where making a profit is more important to those who provide healthcare than the wellness of the patient in my humble opinion.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 11:02 AM
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iRoyalty

beezzer
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National healthcare won't ever work in America. Not until the Constitution and Bill of Rights are trashed.


How so? Where does it say in the constitution that Americans can't receive free health care?


In order for americans to have "free" healthcare, it would first have to be paid for. (ironic that it is called "free")

In order to pay for it, you would have to raise taxes, impose levies, restructure financing that would infringe on my right to self-determine.
It would infringe on my first amendment rights if I had religious differences to the aspect of care.

It would impose restrictions on my rights to privacy, since government would have access to my medical records.

If I choose not to have health insurance, I would still have to be forced to pay into a national healthcare model.

It's being attempted with Obamacare, and is turning into a train wreck of epic proportions.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 11:04 AM
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Yeah it has it's issues, but they are because it is being choked so it can be sold off cheaply to investors to turn healthcare in the UK private. We haven't had problems like this with the NHS until the past 10 years. Private isn't good either..


(Reuters) - Nearly 45,000 people die in the United States each year -- one every 12 minutes -- in large part because they lack health insurance and can not get good care, Harvard Medical School researchers found


That's an annual figure rather than just one sicko trying to cut corners in the NHS. I've never said free health care was perfect, it has a lot of potential to be better and everyone gets help! I couldn't imagine being sick and getting turned away by doctors because I'm too poor, it just sounds insane.

ADDITION: also what's with the hostility? Just because I believe that healthcare should be state owned does not make me a leftie? Last time I checked we are run by conservatives (you're republicans). Privatisation doesn't work for everything
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