ISON's debris trail will possibly graze Earth/no joke

reply to post by daryllyn


That's why we I'm here, to ask questions and think for myself. Not blindly accept dogmatic regurgitated academic rhetoric. A parrot repeats what he hears, a child believes what he's told by those in authority.

How many scientists overlook or avoid areas of research because the grant money isn't there for them or peer review will be unlikely. They don't rock the boat out of fear and greed, or just plain stupidity.

But people like Thor don't care, they just want to know the truth.

cathar

PurpleDog UK
Your joking...........right?

PDUK

watch the video..ISON's tail is fanning out and it's debris field is 40 million miles wide and getting wider....

I'm not making this up.....This is why NASA has been LYING!!!

edit on 6-12-2013 by cathar because: (no reason given)

The worst that can happen is that the night sky glow bright red, and the atmosphere heats up to tropical temperatures. That happened 130 years ago. I remember reading a website about the diary of some new settlers around that time. The explanation was that the Earth went through the tail of a comet at that time.

Your guess is as good as mine!

Aren't we talking about a meteor shower at this point?

I have read that some of the debris is poisonous and contains particles so fine that they will make it into Earth's atmosphere with their poisonous properties intact. I'm no scientist, but I've seen one on TV. I think that poisonous space debris will have some tough competition to overcome when it gets to Earth.

reply to post by hyperreflexia


If you have legitimately seen people claim this then they are basing their claims off of science almost 150 years old.

In 1910 it was claimed that when the Earth passed through the tail of Halley's Comet everyone would die due to the cyanogen in said tail. Of course even then scientists had known for decades that this claim was bunk. Of course that didn't stop people from freaking out.

NASA's SOHO Movie Theater website has now been down for 4 days. Like I said before, it's something to consider. The question is, why now? ~$heopleNation

reply to post by Xcalibur254


Thanks for your reply. I'm glad you pointed out that the poisonous meteorite theory is based on outdated science.

I realize now that the biggest threat from ISON is psychological. Probably not a good time to join a comet cult. Good name for a band. Presenting, The Comet Cult.

reply to post by cathar


What is puzzling about this object is something was still taking point like pre-perihelion, i.e. still head first when it should've been tail first already.

It's almost like it grazed too close but something really solid survived but had no more ice and gas to be blown off it by the solar wind because the sun scorched them all off.

I am just speculating, of course.

cathar

PurpleDog UK
Your joking...........right?

PDUK

watch the video..ISON's tail is fanning out and it's debris field is 40 million miles wide and getting wider....

I'm not making this up.....This is why NASA has been LYING!!!

edit on 6-12-2013 by cathar because: (no reason given)

What is NASA lying about regarding ISON?
Maybe you should invest into a telescope and take a look for yourself.?

All comet orbital debris trails expand, but they still follow the original orbital path of the comet, dead or alive. Nothing new here, normal behavior and no one is trying to keep anything from anyone. The Earth may touch the edge of it, big deal.. just another possible meteor shower.

So many people want to make stuff up about this failed comet, it is getting quite ridiculous. It must be that most have never witnessed a real great comet.

Hale Bopp was cool, but really nothing compared to these three comets
that were really the ones to see in the last 50 years:

All of these were so bright, they could be seen in daylight.

Comet Ikeya-Seki, 1965 — This was the brightest comet of the 20th century, visible in the daytime.
Comet West, 1976, Seen at sunset, huge tail across half the sky.
Comet McNaught, 2007 , mag -6 Huge Fan shaped tail. Visible in daylight

If you wanted to create a doom scenario, these comets would have at least lived up to the reputation as being capable of frightening people, but the dust of failed little ISON... nah.

And then, there was the comet we all wish we could have seen:

The Great Comet of 1881-1882 — This comet is perhaps the brightest comet that has ever been seen.


What a field day ATS would have had with this monster!

SheopleNation
NASA's SOHO Movie Theater website has now been down for 4 days.

You dont have to be spoonfed.
Back in the old days we downloaded individual images and compiled our own movies.
You can still do that if you wish.

Or just... conspiracy, you know.
Easier.

All these claims that NASA is lying....
These things are being watched by astronomers around the world. Are they all in on the conspiracy? Eh? Eh?

daryllyn
We will be passing through the PRE perihelion portion of ISON's orbit, not the post perihelion portion. There is a big difference between the two. Doom off.

When Earth passes through the debris stream, we will encounter two populations of comet dust. One swarm of dust will be following the Comet ISON into the sun. Another swarm will be moving in the opposite direction, pushed away from the sun by solar radiation pressure. The streams will pepper opposite sides of Earth simultaneously.

source

Please watch the following clip that simulates Earth's encounter with the debris stream. Notice how the stream we pass through is moving inward, towards the middle of the solar system, and not away, as in the case of the post-perihelion part of the orbit (which is where the fragments would be).

Short clip

We will not be passing through the portion of the orbit after fragmentation. That part will be 40,000,000 miles away at its closest point, well above the ecliptic. Any large fragments will follow the orbit of their parent body.

So, unless earth is going to jump forty million miles up above the ecliptic, we will not get hit by any substantial ISON fragments. We will get some dust, but astronomers are doubtful that we will even get a meteor shower out of it. One was quoted saying not to expect to notice.

But, I suppose my sources will be useless to some, since a fraction of members are bent on believing that NASA is full of lying, liars that do nothing but lie.

edit on 12/6/2013 by daryllyn because: (no reason given)

YOU are a darned party pooper with your fancy facts and things!
I at least wanted to hope for the prospect of some nice meteorite hunting.. and listening to the scanner with folks freaking the hell out. Maybe my uncle calling me again and screaming " THEYRE BOMBIN' US!!!"

reply to post by Advantage

YOU are a darned party pooper with your fancy facts and things!

I agree.

this is an unpleasant trend currently sucking the joy out of this forum. I am all for denying ignorance, but this place would be boring without speculative threads.

tgidkp
reply to post by Advantage

 

YOU are a darned party pooper with your fancy facts and things!

I agree.

this is an unpleasant trend currently sucking the joy out of this forum. I am all for denying ignorance, but this place would be boring without speculative threads.

i'm with you guys. sometimes i get so frustrated at the party pooping. if every post that had "don't fear monger" or "doom porn" on it was eliminated this site would die a quick death. anyway, i'm here for the fun stuff AND for the facts. i like both. i think there should be a happy medium.

tgidkp
reply to post by Advantage

 

YOU are a darned party pooper with your fancy facts and things!

I agree.

this is an unpleasant trend currently sucking the joy out of this forum. I am all for denying ignorance, but this place would be boring without speculative threads.

The unnecessary doom is an unpleasant trend currently and it is sucking the joy out of this forum. I am all for denying ignorance but this place would be boring if every post was full of wildly speculative, completely unwarranted, and entirely unnecessary doom.

I'm sorry you guys find fact and reality so boring and lacking in the joy department. If there is something I know the logical and factual explanation for, in an area I'm interested in, I'm going to point it out. I don't intend to alter my posting because people would rather have ignorance based doom over logic and facts.

The cool thing is, you can still believe whatever you want

cathar
BP Earthwatch has over 50 thousand subscribers ...I believe him over you...any day ....

Jim Jones nods approvingly from the grave.

BobAthome
but im thinking its just Carbon left over, from a scortching,,, after all we all know Carbon can not burn,,,,

look at a match,,,now safely light it,,, whats left,,,

Where does carbon dioxide come from, then? What is coal? Does coal burn?

reply to post by cathar


A comet is made mostly of ice and volatiles. That's why we see the tail go out behind it. So as we have "debris" I am willing to bet a large amount of it will evaporate before it gets anywhere near Earth. Its nucleus was estimated to be 2 miles in diameter, but if it broke apart, most of that material will evaporate. I don't think the nucleus was coming close to us to begin with, and remains of the nucleus will follow pretty much the same path. Unless there is a really large chunk, and outgassing knocks it several million miles off course, I don't think we have anything to worry about.

hurdygurdy
reply to post by daryllyn

 

That's why we I'm here, to ask questions and think for myself. Not blindly accept dogmatic regurgitated academic rhetoric. A parrot repeats what he hears, a child believes what he's told by those in authority.

How many scientists overlook or avoid areas of research because the grant money isn't there for them or peer review will be unlikely. They don't rock the boat out of fear and greed, or just plain stupidity.

But people like Thor don't care, they just want to know the truth.

And let there be light.