Originally posted by Voice_of Doom
Originally posted by Imperium Americana
Yes BS Statements...Like the USA killing out 90% of the inhabitants of North America and that it was a case of the worst genocide ever. Now where did
you get this figure....oh wait you copied and pasted your remarks from somewhere else. So were they yours or someone else's. I seem to remember that
the Spanish conducted a bit of ethnic cleansing in South America.
If we were to subscribe every evil ever committed by every country in existence today and dismiss them all we would be left with a very short list. So
I fail to see your point. Should we Americans hate the Germans, of the British, or the French? They have all commited evil acts upon others.
Additionally last time I checked the USA has only been around since 1776. 2004 – 1776 = 228 years not 400.
Israel is the worst violators of human right (1997-2003)...really? Got a link to your esteemed research. LOL Please what a bunch of crap.
Now for the record I do not think the USA is perfect. She is far from perfect. It is a human institution. Which mean by default it is only as good as
the sum of it's population. We, like the rest of you, have good and bad people. We do the right thing and the wrong thing. But to say that we are
'Hated" due to the evil we have committed is a bit hypocritical. Seeing as every country, at one point in time or another, has committed evil. By
that Logic I guess we should all hate everyone.
[edit on 19-11-2004 by Imperium Americana]
Son, do a little homework before you step to me in conversation.
Firstly the numbers are around 20 million native americans dead...from north America. If you want me to do your research type
North+American+Genocide into Google. Enjoy to your hearts content!
Secondly, schmuck, I posted that COLUMBIA was the worst human rights violater from 97 to 2002...not ISREAL! Check the f****** numbers yourself!
And finally, this thread is about why the world hates the US. not England, Spain, Germany or Japan. Those countries are hated too. Once the topic or
thread comes up, we can talk about their atrocities. Untill then stick to post and do a little research.
*Onto the ignore list another ignorant poster goes*
there is no friend anywhere - Lao Tse
For the sake of intellectual fairness...he is correct. I attacked something he did not even say. For that I give my apologies to all. Had I read his
post carefully I would have easily seen that. Voice of Doom...my apologies. I fully enjoy engaging in this "Conflict of Ideas" and it is a lesson to
me to be so crass in my post and to shown how big of an ass I was.
Ok now in regards to the figure you gave "20 Million". This figure is of some suspect. I did do "your" research. And it is yours since I did not
make this claim. If you are going to make claims such as this be prepared for other to ask for links to your PROOF. It is the height of intellectual
arrogance to make any claim, then when asked to prove said claim, respond with: "If you want me to do your research type North+American+Genocide into
Google. Enjoy to your hearts content!" WOW the burden of proof is on you dear sir not I, but hey for my own curiosity I did do some research. By
putting in Google what you said the first thing that came up was this:
So after reading this biased site, I did another search. Here is what Wikipedia has to say about the 20 million figure: "Europeans also brought
diseases against which the Native Americans had no immunity. Sometimes they did this intentionally. Ailments such as chicken pox and measles, though
common and rarely fatal among Europeans, often proved fatal to Native Americans. More deadly diseases such as smallpox were especially deadly to
Native American populations. It is difficult to estimate the percentage of the total Native American population killed by these diseases, since waves
of disease oftentimes preceded White scouts and often destroyed entire villages. Some historians argue that up to 80% of some Native populations may
have died due to European diseases."
At the bottom of this paragraph there was a link to a Jeffery Amherst:
"The hostility between the British and aboriginal peoples during the Pontiac Uprising of 1763 led to the first documented use of biological warfare
in North American history. In response to the uprising led by the Ottawa Chief Pontiac, Amherst attempted to spread smallpox among the aboriginal
The interesting thing about this is that he was: A) British B) His actions were before the American independence & C) The incident occurred in what is
You say "...And finally, this thread is about why the world hates the US. not England, Spain, Germany or Japan. Those countries are hated too. Once
the topic or thread comes up, we can talk about their atrocities. Untill then stick to post and do a little research."
Excuse me you insolent jerk! You are accusing my country of contributing to the destruction of 20 million inhabitants. These actions, by all
authorities on this subject, occurred over the course of the entire history of European involvement in North & South America. Not during 1776-20004.
There is even a good debate as to weither the causalities were even 20 million.
The aforementioned site, Religious Tolerence.org states it was between 1.8-20 million. So I do believe the actions of England, France, Spain and any
other country has a bearing at least in this facet.
Here are what Religious Tolerence.org has to say are the worst cases:
Death toll: Unknown
You so eloquently said the following: "Secondly, schmuck, I posted that COLUMBIA was the worst human rights violator from 97 to 2002...not ISREAL!
Check the f****** numbers yourself!"
NO SIR! You made the claim, YOU BACK IT UP. While I have found numerous reports dealing with Columbia's human rights record, I have yet to find a
single report that says categorically "Columbia's Human Rights record is the World's worst" from 1997-2002. Nor have I found records detailing
Columbia's abuses from 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001 & 2002 that state what you have said. If you know of one, and that did not come from Noam
Chomsky, I would be happy to read it.
I agree with you on some of your statements, America is not blameless. But your hyperbolic statements bare no witness to the facts. America is not
hated because she has committed wrongs, all countries have committed wrongs. America is hated because most of the "haters" want to hate something.
They see us as the biggest target and that is it.
[edit on 22-11-2004 by Imperium Americana]
last edit to clean up links.-IA
[edit on 22-11-2004 by Imperium Americana]