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Finally a politician speaks what most of us are thinking

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posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 12:36 PM
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It's a question of principle

Your right to have your opinion in your country without fear of arrest

What did we used to call it ? Oh yeah freedom of speech.

Remember when that counted for all ?

Cody




posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 08:14 PM
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Bravo!



posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 05:59 AM
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As regards 'dress' there could be anyone under that 'cloth coffin' (the Burka) with a knife, or bomb, pistol, meat cleaver, whatever.



posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 06:06 AM
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cody599 hey adolf hitler started up with speeches like this.
Hi Guys

This is a message from Nigel Farage UKIP.....

He is a brilliant speaker and has a message for Britain.

I think it's time we listen to him.





This is what he said:



"I am the Tory Party's Worst Nightmare. I am a White, Tax-Paying, God fearing English man. I am a hard working Brit and I work long hours to earn a living.

I believe in God and the freedom of religion, but I don't push it on others.

I believe in British products and buy them whenever I can.

I believe the money I make belongs to me and not to some governmental functionary, to share with others who don't work!

I think owning a home doesn't make you a capitalist; it makes you a smart Brit.

I think being a minority does not make you noble or victimized, and
does not entitle you to anything. Get over it. Join in with the majority!

I believe that if you are selling me a Big Mac, you should do it in English. I believe there should be no other language option.

I believe everyone has a right to pray to his or her God when and where they want to.

My heroes are fellow Brits like Freddy Flintoff and Winston Churchill and I know I've missed a few thousand!!!!!

I don't hate the rich. What I hate is the way they always manage to avoid paying proper taxes. I don't pity the poor, I just hate the way they are always moaning that they are hard done by!!

I know wrestling is fake and I don't waste my time watching or arguing about it.

I believe if you don't like the way things are here, go back to where you came from and change your own country!

This is ENGLAND.....We like it the way it is and even more so the way it was...so stop trying to change it to look like some other socialist country!

If you were born or legally migrated here and don't like it... you are free to move to any Socialist country that will have you. I believe it is time to really clean house, starting with the House of Commons, the seat of our biggest problems.

I want to know where the "Do Gooders" get their money from, and why are they always part of the problem and not the solution? Can I get an AMEN on that one?

I also think the cops have the right to pull you over if you're breaking the law, regardless of what race, colour or creed you are.

And, no, I don't mind having my face shown on my driving licence. I think it's good....

I dislike those people trying to guilt me into making 'donations' to their cause....Get a job and support yourself and your family!

I believe 'illegal' is illegal no matter what the lawyers think!

I believe the Union Jack flag should be allowed to be flown anywhere in the United Kingdom !

If this makes me a BAD Brit, then yes, I'm a BAD Brit. If you are a BAD Brit too, please forward this to everyone you know....

We want our country back! My Country.....

I hope this offends all illegal aliens.

My great, great grandfather watched as his friends died in the Boer War. My grandfather watched and bled as his friends died in World Wars 1&2. I watched as my friends died in Sierra Leone Bosnia, & Desert Storm. Our sons and daughters watched & bled as their friends died in Afghanistan and Iraq . None of them died for the Afghanistan and Iraq Flag. Every Briton died for the British flag.

At one high school, foreign students raised a Middle East flag on a school flag pole. British students took it down. Guess who was expelled... the students who took it down .

West London high school students were sent home, because they wore T-shirts with the Union Jack flag printed on them.

What is going on?? What idiots do we have in authority?? Enough is enough.

This message needs to be viewed by every Brit; and every Briton needs to stand up for Britain . We've bent over to appease the Brit-haters long enough. I'm taking a stand.

I'm standing up because of the millions who died fighting in wars for this country, and for the British flag.

And shame on anyone who tries to make this a racist message. IT IS NOT !

Britons, stop giving away Your RIGHTS !

THIS IS OUR COUNTRY !

This statement DOES NOT mean I'm against immigration !

YOU ARE WELCOME HERE, IN MY COUNTRY, welcome to come legally:

1. Get a sponsor !

2. Learn the LANGUAGE, as immigrants have in the past!

3. Live by OUR rules ! Dress as we Britons Do

4. Get a job !

5. Pay YOUR Taxes !

6. No Social Security until you have earned it and paid for it !

7. Find a place to lay your head !

If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone, then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM !

We've gone so far the other way... bent over backwards not to offend anyone.



WAKE UP BRITAIN ! ! !



If you do not Pass this on, may your fingers cramp !

Made in BRITAIN & DAMN PROUD OF IT!!!!!"

AMEN"



Nigel Farage UKIP

I do believe at least politician wants us to stand up for our country.
And I applaud these sentiments whole heartedly

Cody



posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 07:23 AM
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cody599
reply to post by Ismail
 


It's a question of principle

Your right to have your opinion in your country without fear of arrest

What did we used to call it ? Oh yeah freedom of speech.

Remember when that counted for all ?

Cody



The same whiny rhetoric as usual.

You HAVE freedom of speach. There are plenty of countries you can go to if you need a reminder of what life is like without freedom of speach. Britain is not not one of them.

No one is going to arrest you for flying a union jack, stop being ridiculous.

Please don't bother posting that out of context video that the facist drama queens are getting all hot and bothered about, because it won't "proove" your point. That woman was arrested for walking around with a 6 foot pole and chanting racist garbage, not because of the flag flying on the pole.

Walking around with a six foot pole and screaming racist garbage, be you "indigenous" or not, IS illegal, because a pole can be used as a weapon. A friend of mine got arrested on protest for the same bogus reason : a large billboard sign (that did not represent the flag of any country by the way, nor was he chanting anything racist). We can probably both agree that the law about sticks is fairely moronic, police state blablabla, but making it about the flag is a downright lie, spread to further a nauseating political agenda that is intent on driving a wedge between certain categories of the british population.

Take a deep breath, go outside and wave your piece of cloth as much as you like. Guess what ? You'll only get arrested if it's on the end of a great big hardwood stick that you are waving directly and energetically into the face of every tanned/black person you pass by while chanting "Stop mass immigration". Which is what happened to that "poor" woman in the video that nationalists are making such hooha about.

Want to talk about flags without whining about out of context incidents ? Your freedoms concerning flags actually just improved

Please stop with the victimisation UKIP fans. It's quite pathetic, and only serves to fuel hate. A problem that can only be illustrated by one misleading video taken way out of context only becomes a real problem if you try to make it one. And boy, are the guys at UKIP/BNP trying...








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posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 07:47 AM
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To be fair, as much as I distrust Farage, and by extension UKIP, likening them to BNP or any other Nationalist / Right Wing group or party is a bit of a stretch to say the least.
They are voicing genuine concerns that a growing number of people have over immigration levels and the constant refusal to acknowledge those concerns is actively driving people towards UKIP.

There is an increasing perception that UKIP alone are looking after the interests of the 'ordinary man in the streets' whilst the major political party's put the interests of big business and 'the establishment' above anything else.

In adition there is significant discontent over the perceived transfer of sovereignty to the EU.
The British people voted for membership of a free trade association and not political unity with continental Europe.
The EEC, or Common Market, which the British people voted on in 1975 was a completely different being and entity to that which is the EU today.



posted on Dec, 8 2013 @ 03:31 PM
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TheToastmanCometh
Isn't this the same guy who sported a Hitler mustache?

Nigel Farage's "mustache"


edit on 7-12-2013 by TheToastmanCometh because: (no reason given)


It is. It's also the same nit who got 'chased' out of Edinburgh by about 12 protestors.

The Herald



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 04:12 PM
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I agree 100% with you!
I feel as though this man is blaming the poor
and demoralizing the underprivileged!
I don't believe that the poor or illegal immigration is
as big a problem as most make it out to be!

Don't get me wrong, those that are lazy should not
be sponging off of hard working individuals but
there are those that do need help! Though I don't believe
that people should be forced to give anything but I do believe
they should be made to see the hardships of those
that are less fortunate!

IMO the real problem is there are too many wealthy individuals
that are sponging off the system and manipulating the political
world, as they are the same people pointing fingers and causing
a misinformed public to vilify the underprivileged by propping
them up and pulling them down through conglomerate media tactics!

We have been manipulated and demoralized through ideological
subversion tactics for so long that I believe grooms our selfish
primitive natures and leaves us with a lack of any core values!

Though I doubt many may believe what I say, as we have gone beyond any
rationality or critical thinking processes! I also believe that our negative
emotional outlooks leads us to draw rash conclusions based on disinformation
and minimal empirical data!



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 04:40 PM
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Nigel Farage might be a brilliant speaker with a gift for PR but his party is a political gnat.

It has no MPs.

Its much trumpeted success in the local elections won it less than 1% of council seats.

It has one spokesman for everything - Farage himself. Nobody else in the party can be trusted to speak to the media.

It has no policies. At the last election, its website didn't even have its manifesto on it. Now, there are a series of platitudes but still no policies.

UKIPs importance is strategic. David Cameron failed to win a majority against the most unpopular prime minister ever and has lost ground ever since. Swinging voters towards the left will gravitate to the Liberal and Labour parties. On the right, they will turn to UKIP. There's not enough of them to make UKIP a serious political force but enough to split the already compromised Tory vote.

So Farage gets his day in the sun.

Whatever you do, don't confuse this nine-days-wonder and his motley crew of clowns with serious politics.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 04:43 PM
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Freeborn
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To be fair, as much as I distrust Farage, and by extension UKIP, likening them to BNP or any other Nationalist / Right Wing group or party is a bit of a stretch to say the least.


I don't know what it's like where you are, but the UKIP supporters around here were the BNP supporters a coup◙8e of years ago.

Nationalist? Right Wing? Why else have a straw man name for the party?



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 04:47 PM
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Farage is a Tory to the core a public schoolboy and a stock market swindler he is nothing more than elitist big mouthed cartoon dandy lusting after power.

If you want to put your hopes into this character that’s your choice but he is just a B grade slapstick version of Cameron or Osborne. The only useful function he serves is to mix things up a bit he is causing a kafuffle in the usual voting patterns of the sheep like masses and that can only be a good thing.

When the main parties fear their grass roots are being nibbled at they will start tossing a few carrots to the plebs which they wouldn’t have otherwise and lets face it we need a few carrots and less of the sticks they have been beating us with lately.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 05:53 PM
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I don't know what it's like where you are, but the UKIP supporters around here were the BNP supporters a coup◙8e of years ago.


I can categorically assure you that the vast majority of UKIP supporters I meet and talk to, from all over the country, as just normal, everyday people who feel disenfranchised and disillusioned with the major political party's.
Sure some of their supporters used to support BNP, (not getting into a discussion about them here), but that doesn't make all UKIP supporters ex-BNP.

I know some intelligent, reasoned and informed individuals who express support for UKIP, one or two on this site, who make a decent case for their support of Farage and UKIP.
I don't support them, or any other political party.



Nationalist? Right Wing? Why else have a straw man name for the party?


Not everyone who has genuine concerns over the levels of immigration into this country is of a Right-wing disposition - that is a myth peddled by MSM.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 07:04 PM
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woodwardjnr
It might sound defeatist, but I don't really care anymore. I'm sick of politics and political ideologies. It's all bollocks. What will be, will be. The whole concept of Government and the nation state is becoming an out dated model as corporations and the market dictate national policy over elected officials.

The job of government soon will just be there to build the infrastructure and make sure the dead get buried. Everything else will be left to market forces.




I really don't know why? we have a British government!!...

650 MP's (Grown wo/men) behaving like a bunch of unruly school children on a

weekly basis, longer vacations than those same school children, subsidised bar and

canteen, LOL!! Making laws they are unable to put through due to EU laws and

regulations



The 'British' government has no teeth .... the power lies with Germany and France.



posted on Dec, 9 2013 @ 07:22 PM
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All current politicians are full of sh*t.



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 07:49 AM
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He makes plenty of good pints here, but the rest is the musings of a person with a narrow point of view lacking any empathy, or knowledge not fed to him out of his text book.

Your granddaddy died on the Boer wars? Good. I hope he was speared in his face by the meanest, most skilled warrior tribesman in the village he helped raid. These wars were nothing more than ventures of conquest where people were killed off and dominated for their land and resources. Screw this guy. Same with the Iraqi and Afghanistan wars. His views on the Boer wars and other invasions like it as proudly fighting for Britain shows me this man's stance on certain parts of the world.

I agree fully being a "minority" does not and should not grant you any pity or entitlement, but this man, through the his very words, sounds like he would not recognize, do not want to recognize, or would excuse any inequality's and injustices perpetrated against minorities.

This guy says he thinks the poor grovel too much. i think he doesn't even know, or want to know, how the laws and the very financial structure we live in creates poverty. He probably thinks the poor of the world are poor from laziness, and that's it.

Oh, and if an immigrant is not bothering anyone, they should be able to dress however their culture dictates . Once again, screw this guy. Stop complaining and just join the majority.That's how it should work in this man's view?

These socialist, communist hell hole's that immigrants run too Britain from are what Britain created in the first damn place.

Running up on smaller, already occupied lands on killing off the population while enslaving the rest. Drainging away all the resources and money to their greedy asses. Putting some idiotic, brutal jerk to run things. And he's proud. Go Britain.

This man sounds like an elitist idiot.






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posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 09:59 AM
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eletheia
Making laws they are unable to put through due to EU laws and

regulations



The 'British' government has no teeth .... the power lies with Germany and France.


That's the Big Lie in a nutshell.

The Government can only make laws that Parliament has empowered it to make. Every once in a while, a government tries it on and, every once in a while, the courts slap it down. All part of the normal working of a healthy democracy.

The Government, with the permission of Parliament, has signed up to all manner of agreements, some with the EU, some with the WTO etc. to facilitate free trade. Through the EU, with the permission of Parliament, it has also signed up to some agreements for social protection.

That balance between trade and the individual is at the heart of a lot of what the EU does.

Margaret Thatcher understood that. She worked hard to establish a strong Britain at the heart of Europe, opening European and world markets for Britain. The Single European Act was one of hers.

John Major understood that. He tested the water with the ERM and got his toes bitten by the likes of George Soros and international capital. He kept Britain at the heart of Europe and the Maastricht Agreement was his.

Blair and Brown understood that. As centre-left liberals, they pushed for social protection as well as more economic liberalisation.

Cameron is such a lightweight that we can't tell what he thinks. He knows the EU is good for business, he knows the EU provides social protection, he wants to keep business happy, he believes social justice is best achieved through market forces, but he wants to keep everyone on the fringes happy because he knows he doesn't have a true electoral mandate.

So what does he do at the first sign of trouble? Does he do a Thatcher and bulldoze his way through? Does he do a Major and juggle his way through? Does he do a Blair/Brown and give-and-take his way through? No, he throws a hissy fit, calls it a veto and goes home, leaving the rest of the EU to make decisions without him.

Since that "historic veto", the rest of the EU knows Britain is on the sidelines, waiting for someone to ask it to join in, crying into its Bovril because nobody wants it on the first team any more.

A statesman would get stuck in and shape Britain around the EU. Cameron - who wasn't even invited to Sarkozy and Obama's commemoration of the end of the Libyan conflict even though he was in the same town on the same day - is not a statesman. He's a lightweight way out his depth.

It suits him, and the interests who don't like the EU's social protection, to blame the EU instead.



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 12:46 PM
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Nobody mentioned any video

What about soldiers returning home being abused in the streets of Luton ?
That's OK by you?

It disgusts me.

I'm not saying don't be different or don't have your say, but if don't support the rules and don't respect the laws and want to force your ways on us.

Think again

Cody



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 12:48 PM
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I did state in the OP that I don't vote for them,

I just thought the silent majority were spoken for, about bloody time.

And welcome to ATS

Cody



posted on Dec, 10 2013 @ 01:16 PM
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Why does any Country require the agreement of a 'totalitarian authority' to trade

with another? Countries have always traded.

If one has the product or service that another wants/requires ... then neither hell or

high water will prevent trading ... demand and supply - supply and demand ... It's

been happening since the beginning of time.


From the Tax Payers Alliance 2011 Briefly :-


The European Court Auditors (the body charged with auditing the EU's accounts) has

presented it's annual report to the EU Parliament and for the 17th year running it

has concluded that the payments underlying the accounts are still affected by

material error. The ECA's press release explains the "error rate" represents the degree

of non compliance with the rules governing the spending, such as breaches of public

procurement rules, ineligible or incorrect calculation of costs claimed to EU co-

financed projects, or over declaration of land by farmers.


The 3.7% 'error rate' is as a proportion of the EU annual budget of £104.2 billion

a staggering £3.9 billion which means that serious questions remain about

payments which have been made by Brussels. And the 'error rate' across the

"Cohesion, energy and transport" budget alone was no less than 7.7%


The fact that this happens year after year does not make it acceptable. It underlines

just how outrageous it is that the European Commission is seeking yet another

increase in it's budget
when there are still unanswered questions over billions of

it's spending.


Any one who knows anything about accounting concepts, like material error would

find hilarious that the EU is claiming their failing to get their accounts past the

auditors yet again is some kind of triumph!!.... If a UK company operated

their accounts procedures in the same manner as the EU, the Inland Revenue would

instigate an investigation ... but according to EU law, no EU official or

High Representative
can be prosecuted.


And the report for 2012 is a repetition of the above So now 18 years of

mismanagement!


If you had money to invest ... is this the type of company/management that would

instil confidence in you??


And what about the total waste of money on the European Parliaments monthly

circus travelling between Strasbourg and Brussels costing 200 million euros yearly?

LOL ... aptly named the "Gravy Train"



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