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Finally a politician speaks what most of us are thinking

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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 05:48 PM
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This is a message from Nigel Farage UKIP.....

I didn't say he wrote it

so how is it a message from your boyfriend nigel farrage?

why not just say you copy/pasted it from something somewhere and you dont really know?




posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 06:53 PM
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The only person worth voting for will be the one who says he'll throw the banksters out and renationalize our utility companies.
Unless they say they'll do the above they're just another flavor of what we've had for the last few decades.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:31 PM
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I fear that the next coalition will be Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage... certainly looks like it's going that way. The right-wingers are emerging in a lot of European countries just now, capitalising on the genuine desperation of the people for some kind of change but I don't think their's is the type of change We want... People like Nigel Farage just say what people want to hear and Farage is an excellent speaker, no doubt about it but behind him are UKIP, a horrible party that will make the Tories look like Labour before Tony Blair... Working Class people in the west need (In my opinion..) A Socio-Democratic government to help shift the balance of power back to the people, We have to resist right wing-ers sweeping in by militarising a working class vote... like Hitler did... and before People say, Hitler? that's a bit harsh (maybe..) here's one of UKIP's almost recent scandals..

"THE UK Independence Party (UKIP) have suspended one of their Scottish MPs amid reports that he advocated Nazi-style policies.

Party bosses said yesterday that 54-year-old John Houston - who was selected in December to contest the East Kilbride seat in Lanarkshire - was suspended after his proposals were sent to newspapers.

Houston, according to the Express, believes the mentally ill should be executed, civil servants should have free visits to brothels and people with disabilities and unskilled workers should be sent to work camps.

In his Nazi-style rant, Houston also advoctated a New World Order led by "English speaking nations".

But the list goes on:

The creation of special communities only for people who speak the same language and for those with facial disfigurements.

Labour-intensive initiatives to provide work for the unskilled and people with learning difficulties.

The killing of the criminally insane with their organs to be "made available to law-abiding members of the community". (2005)
Source 1

and Here's a story showing that policy wise, they are just the BNP but without the 'Bad name'.
UKIPBNP

They will capitalise on the Anti-European sentiment, but even the conservatives have jumped on that band wagon with a 'promise' of a referendum on membership. I am not a fan of Europe but at the same time, I do not believe that We went to leave Europe whilst under a Tory or even more right wing government because you would then also leave the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights, not always a good thing in itself but it has stopped a couple of Tory policies so far, at the behest of individual working class people challenging their mandatory work programs etc, the conservatives and UKIP and the BNP have all proposed Scrapping the Human Rights act and/or leaving the ECHR/EU, which I'm not saying doesn't need to happen at some point but I hope people can see that it happening under these governments would not be good... We don't need them having LESS oversight...

Tory work program deemed Orwellian and Illegal..

Cameron calling for leaving the ECHR and blaming them for our soft stance on Criminals..

Theresa May Promises Scrapping Human Rights Act, Suggests Pulling Out Of European Court Of Human Rights



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:37 PM
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VoidHawk
The only person worth voting for will be the one who says he'll throw the banksters out and renationalize our utility companies.
Unless they say they'll do the above they're just another flavor of what we've had for the last few decades.


Exactly! I agree whole-heartedly, Socialism, Nationalization, re-distribution of wealth and a generally people orientated Government for the first time in 50+ years, that's what We need and that is obviously not Nigel Farage. Hopefully Someone comes along with these promises in time for the British elections in 2015, I do think there is a Socialist shift happening but hopefully it has gained sufficient momentum by then, the rise of Farage has been quick and scary.. He's became the new face of UKIP (even though he's the old face of UKIP...) much like David Cameron did for the Conservatives in the run up to 2010 and look what happened, they won... and look what happened it was the same old Tories. I fear the same is happening with UKIP.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 08:43 PM
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Elijah23

Exactly! I agree whole-heartedly, Socialism, Nationalization, re-distribution of wealth and a generally people orientated Government for the first time in 50+ years, that's what We need and that is obviously not Nigel Farage.


I wish we still had the thumbs up emote, I'll just have to smile instead

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posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 11:14 PM
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Dress as we Britons do means dont wear the friggin burkha.
And I may add I think you are trying to derail the mans passion filled statements with pedantic bean counter like arguements.



posted on Dec, 6 2013 @ 11:32 PM
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crazyewok
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If not ukip what other viable choice is there to vote for?

Labour=FAIL
Conservative=FAIL
Lib dem = SELLOUT+FAIL
BNP= MORONIC THUGS

so not alot of choice out there is there?

Well said mate.
The problem is nobody realizes the voting system is rigged, it does not matter who you vote for, the same people always get in.Two faces on the same mask.
I have noted great critical thinkers say the same and then suddenly aquire amnesia and get all giddy about Ron Paul and then Nigel Farage totally forgetting that if 98% of the population voted for either then you would still wake up the day after elections and see some sad anti humanity clown posing as the country's saviour sitting in number 10 or the Whitehouse.
The sooner the western populaces realize this the sooner we will all be free.
I have been in a couple of 3rd World countries and seen corruption first hand, I have seen pay offs and backhanders, the difference is the Western governments have been far more discreet in their corruption and they are in it up to their necks, we the people live in an illusion that corruption only exists in Banana republics.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 04:13 AM
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If not ukip what other viable choice is there to vote for?


That's the thing, I'm not too sure UKIP are a "viable" option.



Labour=FAIL
Conservative=FAIL
Lib dem = SELLOUT+FAIL
BNP= MORONIC THUGS


Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly.



so not alot of choice out there is there?


See that's the thing, the current party political system has failed us, or at least outlived its usefulness and suitability.
It promotes the adherence to official party line over personal conviction and the best interests of Members constituents and the electorate. One of the major priorities of those involved in the current system is to maintain the system, their control of it and milking the sacred cow.
Any suggestion that the current system is failing us is met with derision and unanimous condemnation whereas the reality is somewhat different. There are alternatives that give the people a real say in matters that affect them both on a local and national level whilst providing a stable, representative government that is accountable to the people.
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posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 04:19 AM
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Rikku



said

This is a message from Nigel Farage UKIP.....

I didn't say he wrote it

so how is it a message from your boyfriend nigel farrage?

why not just say you copy/pasted it from something somewhere and you dont really know?


It was an open letter

I'd have thought that much was obvious


Did the IQ of ATS drop when I wasn't looking ?

Oh I see.

I've just been reading your replies in other posts, not exactly looking to be popular are you ?

Cody

edit on 7/12/13 by cody599 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 04:40 AM
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It might sound defeatist, but I don't really care anymore. I'm sick of politics and political ideologies. It's all bollocks. What will be, will be. The whole concept of Government and the nation state is becoming an out dated model as corporations and the market dictate national policy over elected officials.

The job of government soon will just be there to build the infrastructure and make sure the dead get buried. Everything else will be left to market forces.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 07:26 AM
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Yeah, lets blame everything on the immigrants...

It is BRITISH POLICY that has failed the BRITISH PEOPLE, and I'll extent that to the Argentinian, Afghan and Iraki people, to name a few of the more recent ones we've been killing to keep our bankers happy.

This "british" culture thing UKIP and their BNP bretheren are always rambling on about is the same nationalistic nonsense that bred two world wars during the century past.

Culture is not a static thing. We "true britons" have been culturally influenced in a FAR more agressive manner by the romans, the danes, the celts, the angles, the saxons, the normans and the french than by a few poor sods with a bit of an accent who like walking around wearing turbans/veils.

Back in the day, culture was RAPED INTO THE SURVIVORS OF WAR.

The modern day morons who strut about crying about how an eternal "british" culture that has never even existed is somehow in danger because young people wear hoodies, are pathetically ignorant of what TRUE cultural war is. True cultural war IS what WE ARE DOING in Irak and Afghanistan. Killing men women and children, boming the s$it out of their cities, and getting Haliburton to rebuild Mc Donalds and Starbucks on the still smoldering ruins.

Suck it up UKIP. Not everyone is white/christian/right wing, and not everyone wants to live in a Britain where that is the only acceptable thing to be. You people don't only make me feel ashamed to be british, but ashamed to be part of the same species as you. Which all things considered, is FAR more important that a flag and a few imaginary lines on a map.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 07:59 AM
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2014 will be a big year for UKIP. With the EU elections, which they are expected to do really well and the doors opening to Bulgaria and Romania. So expect to see a lot more of Nigel Farage and UKIP.



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 08:13 AM
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Yeah, lets blame everything on the immigrants...


You should maybe reread the OP

The blame is fully placed on us, the common people for allowing this.
My wife is an immigrant, but she speaks English is fully integrated and teaches science.

What would you say if in next years world cup you were told you are not allowed to fly the English flag for fear of upsetting immigrants ?

Would you rather not be allowed to fly your country's flag to appease, or wear it with pride ?

Just asking

Cody



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 08:36 AM
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cody599
I've just been reading your replies in other posts, not exactly looking to be popular are you ?
Cody


Is that of any relevance?

Anyway, what I read in the OP about what that UKIP spokesperson says is totally against my principles: human dignity, solidarity and equality. The UKIP message seems to be to "simply be another brick in the wall, mate, and BTW, I'll define what a brick is". Yeah, we've been there and seen that before, way back in 1936 in Germany. Yay Britons





posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 08:41 AM
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Freeborn
There are alternatives that give the people a real say in matters that affect them both on a local and national level whilst providing a stable, representative government that is accountable to the people.
edit on 7/12/13 by Freeborn because: (no reason given)


What alternatives? And dont say green party as the last thing we need is abunch of musley eating hippies running the country!



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 08:57 AM
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woodwardjnr
It might sound defeatist, but I don't really care anymore. I'm sick of politics and political ideologies. It's all bollocks. What will be, will be. The whole concept of Government and the nation state is becoming an out dated model as corporations and the market dictate national policy over elected officials.

The job of government soon will just be there to build the infrastructure and make sure the dead get buried. Everything else will be left to market forces.


100%
Insanity....repeating the same thing hoping for a different result...Einstein

Rainbows
Jane



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 09:01 AM
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I mean alternative systems other than the current party political parliamentary and electoral systems we currently have here in the UK.

I've often mentioned my personal preference for the radical reform of both and the introduction of direct democracy on both local and national issues, the increased use of referendum, the power of recall, rolling elections and devolved power to all the regions within some sort of Federal framework.

I'm no expert and I'm not arrogant enough to assume I have all the answers, quite the opposite, but there are viable alternatives unfortunately MSM stifles all constructive debate over these options.

ETA.

Greens are something to be endured whilst otherwise enjoying Sunday dinner.

edit on 7/12/13 by Freeborn because: Add ETA



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 09:23 AM
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Ukip Leader Nigel Farage's Plane Crash Pilot Found Dead

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk...
Rainbows
Jane



posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 11:23 AM
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cody599
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Yeah, lets blame everything on the immigrants...


You should maybe reread the OP


I don't need to reread the Op. Stuttering hatred of the poor, defense of an ideal that only exists in few nationalists wet dreams, and a laughably populist view on Britains (?) problems, and what to do to solve them. A sad little pamphlet written to arouse a sentiment of indignant revolt in clueless white middle class englishmen (sorry, australians).


cody599
What would you say if in next years world cup you were told you are not allowed to fly the English flag for fear of upsetting immigrants ?

Would you rather not be allowed to fly your country's flag to appease, or wear it with pride ?


Personally, I could not give a rats a$$ about any given piece of colorfull cloth, and fail to see how the right/non-right to fly or not said piece of cloth has anything to do with "getting britain back on the right track". Could you please explain how flying the union jack will magically solve any of the challenges that we face as a country ?

On the same line, it is also my firm belief that pride over being born somewhere, as opposed to being born somewhere else, is a particularily cretinous sentiment which in the past has only ever brought war and tragedy upon other human beings. Being born somewhere is not an accomplishment by any measure, and taking pride in such a thing only highlights what a meaningless void most peoples lives have become, as well as the absurdity of the society that they live in.

So... when the good gentlemen of UKIP decide to adress the ACTUAL problems that plague our society, instead of looking for scapegoats to point their fingers at, please do get back to me.

Until then, it's only going to be about politicians fear/hatemongering votes out of dumbed down idiots who have got nothing better to do than squabble amongst each other for the scraps that big buisiness drops for them.





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posted on Dec, 7 2013 @ 12:28 PM
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Isn't this the same guy who sported a Hitler mustache?

Nigel Farage's "mustache"


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