reply to post by Kantzveldt
I don't quite fully understand the method you are suggesting. I understand the principle of counter weight lifting, but I can't visualise this
process properly. So, let me start from the beginning - with the great pyramid.
All the different miracles aside, lets assume the ancient Egyptian builders had levelled out a 230m^2 area and had all their 2 million blocks within
the construction site. Then they lay the first layer, and lets assume this is a full square layer of 2m height (let's say that's one stones height).
Now, they need to lift the next set of stones atleast 2m high from the pyramid foundation. You are suggesting they use wedge ramps at opposite ends of
this square area? Like a cable car system? Sorry, please elaborate. But lets use the concept of a counter weight pivot or something as such. To lift
the lightest blocks in the pyramid (2tonnes/2000kg) they'd need a counterweight of approx. 21 massive 100kg geezers. It's achievable. So, for the
sake of simplicity, they layed the whole second layer with 2 tonne blocks, with the working level now standing at 4m tall. The average block weight in
the great pyramid is about 15 tonnes (conservative figure) so lets work with that from now on for simplicity's sake. At this point you'd need
approx. 150 massive a 100kg/225lb guys as a counter weight. Whatever structure was supporting these load shifts had to be immaculate, but lets ignore
that. For the heaviest blocks at 70 tonnes you are talking at the very least 700 massive 100kg plus people. It's looking very unrealistic at that
point. Building the whole structure that will support and allow this would take considerable effort itself, let alone the pyramid.
I guess in theory they could use people to continuously lift 2 or so tonne stones and use those stones as additional counter weight, and I'm also
guessing that's your method at its essence, right? But when you try to visualise how that would work considering the actual physical size of these
blocks and the fact you'd need this system operating effectively on every level of the pyramid. It would have been an unworldly task regardless,
especially as they had to flipping lift 2-70 tonne stones in the first place! That's the real mystery of the pyramids. You can't just slide it onto
ramps lol, you'd need perfect tolerances for that. Even getting those 70 tonne blocks an inch off the ground would been utterly amazing for them to
do - with apparently copper tools, a windlass and perhaps pulley knowledge (though never actually documented).
I mean, you say most of the stones weren't cut to a degree lol. You understand that just shaping ONE of those granite stones in an extremely rough
but rectangular shape would take an enormous amount of time. Your copper tool would and should probably fracture a couple times on each block, and it
could take days for one man to even get close to shaping one block like that.
Then, considering a good amount of blocks are done to an extremely impressive degree, this would take considerably more time and an exponentially
amount more of skill. The casing stones are flat to 1/100th of an inch! They were placed with an average accuracy of 5/1000th of an inch with
obviously an intentionally part of that being gap for cement/mortar. That is extremely impressive, and requires great work spent on many individual
blocks. The height and base lengths of the great pyramid are chosen on purpose, resulting in a 230.4m (ah good ol' metres) long base and a 146.5m
tall height (with its capstone). This isn't random. They used royal cubits that started at 0.523m length and went up in small increments. This is the
result of Pi - Phi^2 = 0.523, and they used this to establish a measurement ratio (derived from the golden ratio) of 1 to 0.523, which is infant the
royal cubit to metre conversion.
So what does that mean? That means the actual specific end height and base width of the pyramid was more important to them than ease of construction.
This required odd cubit dimensions which actually puzzle led experts for quite a while, as they did not understand why they would not pick easier more
round dimensions, ensuring equal size blocks can be used uniformly upwards and so forth. Instead, they put extra effort into each stone to ensure
those dimensions are achieved. There couldn't have been any #ing about, a few bad tolerance gaps will add up and give a significantly off value. You
might think that's just a mathematical coincidence, but 1/6 of pi is 0.5236m. The kings chamber measures 5.24m x 10.47m, and hence the perimeter
equates to 10pi to 3 decimal place accuracy. There's are but just a few legitimate examples. So, I think it's safe to say they were going for
precision for atleast a good majority of the construction work, not just banging any old roughly rectangular blocks and sliding them into place on a
nice, sunny day. This pyramid was to be perfect.
Taking all those factors into account, not to mention quarry sites as far as 500 miles away were used for the great pyramid, it would probably take
many years just to prepare all the blocks and transport them. I'd personally say, for the great pyramid, about 10 blocks a week completed the whole
process on average. That is an extremely generous figure, but hey lets work with it. That includes everything from cutting out to shaping to polishing
to ensuring dimensions to transporting many miles and then to actually place it. That gives a rate of 40 a month approx, or 480 a year approx. Heh.
2million blocks? I don't even need to do the math, it says it is not possible. They had to have been more advanced to some extent IMO. Not over the
top technology but perhaps (or likely) more advanced than the ancient Greeks (who definitely had cranes, pulleys, screws, etc etc). But with the
current paradigm - copper tools + windlass + a counter weight system, I honestly think 10 blocks a week is what you're looking at.
Of course, the more individual blocks you have being worked on, the more you can have done in one time frame. But judging by the sizes of these
quarries, the sizes of the blocks, the actual strength/stamina and technique needed to smack a granite block into 1/100ths of degrees of accuracy, the
lack of evidence for any seriously large amount of workers in these areas at those times etc etc I don't think we are talking about the 1000s if
whipped, unfed slaves we were once taught - no way, absurdity. If it were engineers and builders, that 10 a week will rise, but even then you would
need 1000s of specially skilled and talented, physical fit workers who knew what they were doing and did it in the most efficient manner. At best I
would say 100 blocks are fully processed start to finish, and even then that would take (let's assume 5000 blocks a year) about 230 years.
That's the real mysteries for me, even though a lot of it is a mystery in general. Something has to budge, we have to either admit the ancient
Egyptians were far more advanced in mathematics, engineering, construction, available technology and so forth OR that they didn't build the pyramids.
It boils down to that for me. We have of course surpassed them greatly in terms of technology (maybe not other things) but these feats cannot be
overlooked. The rest of the world was practically still walking around in animal furs at this point in time (bar Sumer).